Dear ISA HK/China & TCHK Members,
ISA HK/China has agreed to deliver a talk at the HKCTU seminar on the Arborist Profession, details of which are given below for your interesting reference. The Station Manager will be speaking on behalf of ISA HK/China for the topic.
Our talk will mainly focus on the recent development of the Arborist Profession in our territory & Tree Work is not the same as Landscape Work. Tree Workers are trained & equipped differently & require a much higher physique & skills to cope with elevated work. This may be a point that common employers are not aware of & most Tree Work in HK is given to the wrong work force to give undesirable results. Our discussion is meant to bring awareness to the employers on this fact.
Please follow the information in the attached flyer for registration at HKCTU for the seminar. Looking forward to seeing you all on Dec 4.
best regards,
Sammy Au
ISA HK/China Station Manager
日期： 2009年 12月 4日 (星期五)
時間：：：：下午 3:30 – 5:30
地點：：：：香港生產力促進局– 1樓演講廳 九龍九龍塘達之路 78號
對象：：：：園/樹藝行業僱主、園藝班畢業學員、行業從業員、對樹木工作有興趣人士
費用：：：：費用全免
講者：：：：張文韜先生 -發展局局長政治助理
伍芷筠女士 -建築署建築設計處 -景觀規劃及綠化工作分處總園境師
歐永森先生 - 國際樹木學會 中國地區分會 會長
僱員再培訓局園藝助理課程畢業學員
簡介：
近年樹木保育成為熱話，社會上對樹藝的專門技術及人才的需求增加。香港職工會聯盟培訓中心就 此現況，舉行一場講座：樹木保育政策及樹藝行業的人才需求講座樹木保育政策及樹藝行業的人才需求講座樹木保育政策及樹藝行業的人才需求講座樹木保育政策及樹藝行業的人才需求講座。
講座將會就三個不同的方向，向業界及有興趣之人士，介紹最新之樹木保育政策，講座中亦會分享 近年樹藝行業的發展。另外，在新政策下和社會的需要下，對相關培訓課程的需求。
內容：
1.畢業學員的工作分享
2.最新樹木保育政策
3.近年樹藝行業的發展
4.相關培訓課程簡介
詳情請瀏覽網址：www.hkctu.com
香港職工會聯盟培訓中心主辦
香港九龍油麻地彌敦道 558-560 號譽發商業大廈 3 樓
電話： 2332 9368
傳真： 2740 9109
3/F,HamiltonCommercialBuilding,558-560NathanRoad,Kowloon,HongKongwww.hkctu.com
3758 5100
Friday, November 27, 2009
Wednesday, November 25, 2009
ISA HK/China --- HK Tree News (Poor Tree Selection for property damages)
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Dear Station Members,
The media cutting underneath described how yet another case of Tree Planting has failed & repeatedly damaged properties nearby. The local politician proposed to 'strengthen' Tree Protection in order to minimize any future Tree Failure in strong wind such as typhoons which would be subject to professional scrutiny of Practicing Arborists since we understand it is very difficult to erect trees against typhoon for the newly planted.
It is all too common in HK that we hear the maintenance party is not doing the job right to care & protect the trees. However, the international understanding would be that if a tree is not selected & planted right in the beginning, future maintenance would be expensive & usually ineffective. This fact has been reiterated in ISA discussion many a times & it is agreed by Practicing Arborists all over the world.
ISA believes in the 'Right Tree in the Right Place' for any fruitful Tree Planting. If a tree is selected poorly by species, location & in poor quality, with the planting process damaging the rootball or the rootball miniaturized during packing for transport convenience & cost saving, then no matter in what name of 'flowering', 'scent' or 'good-looking', it will be 'Mother Nature makes the Rules' for the result. This tree would usually grow poorly, become sick easily, & then eventually become a Time Bomb to fail in wind to give us public inconveniences. International experience has shown that when such a tree is maintained for whatsoever reason, the running cost would be high & rectification treatment would be mostly ineffective in the long run.
Then the critics would shout blue murder at the maintenance parties when they see trees degrading to poor conditions as such. Would they think why the trees have become such a state in the first place? Would this also be a fair judgment in a civilized & democratic society like HK supposed to believe in the Rule of Law ??
It appears to be all so easy nowadays to criticize in our society where not giving a constructive solution at the same time. Would such practice enhance the quality of Tree Planting in the long run?
The intention to set up the Tree Management Office (TMO) in HK is likely to resolve our Tree Planting problems gradually. Rome was not built in a day & the public must have patience & tolerance to untie a knot so big & complicated left over from history. What the TMO might have interest in & priority to look into would be first of all the Roadside Trees where traffic & pedestrians rolling constantly underneath. This is the most high risk area whereas one of such trees killed a young lady in Stanley in Aug 2008. The TMO may also contemplate to eventually forbid planting big spreading species like the Ficus which would develop naturally a tree crown of +20m wide if undisturbed. This species may be 'good looking' in the beginning but turning into a liability later. There may also be other towering species planted in narrow streets in the name of 'flowering' or 'scent' but with high failure potential. Michelia alba is one of them. The TMO should set reviewing & approving such Tree Planting in consideration of public safety.
ISA HK/China has high hope on the TMO to provide our community with good & safe trees for social benefits. We would also like to see HK leading the role of international Tree planting in the China Region with our TMO.
For this we shall set patience to expect.
best regards,
Sammy Au
Station Manager
"If a tree is not designed, installed, maintained & inspected properly, it is likely to become a liability rather than an asset."
"Trees are good for the community. Trees need care like human beings. Arborists are the Tree Care Professionals."
21/11/2009
播放本新聞相關短片
公園大樹被颱風吹倒，壓毀順豐大廈外圍照明設施。
（讀者提供）
植樹選址差屢吹塌砸燈
大廈連番遭塌樹破壞招居民不滿！元朗順豐大廈住戶王先生表示，自去年至今，大廈外圍照明設施兩度被附近大樹壓毀，「一打風就吹冧棵樹，跟住就砸爛盞燈，舊年同今年都係咁，係咪唔應該再喺度種（樹）呢？」
（讀者提供）
當區區議員麥業成認為，改變種植地點的斬腳趾避沙蟲方式，並非解決問題良方，建議當局於上址加強防護措施，減低塌樹造成財物損失或人命傷亡意外。
*** Our weekly Station Mail is for the information of Station Members only, but Station Mail has given up copyright & can be freely circulated. For administrative reasons, comments from outsiders are usually not entertained & may be circulated within our system locally & overseas. Please note Station Mail is sometimes given in Blog at http://isahkchina.blogspot.com , although images are usually not attached due to size. ***
Dear Station Members,
The media cutting underneath described how yet another case of Tree Planting has failed & repeatedly damaged properties nearby. The local politician proposed to 'strengthen' Tree Protection in order to minimize any future Tree Failure in strong wind such as typhoons which would be subject to professional scrutiny of Practicing Arborists since we understand it is very difficult to erect trees against typhoon for the newly planted.
It is all too common in HK that we hear the maintenance party is not doing the job right to care & protect the trees. However, the international understanding would be that if a tree is not selected & planted right in the beginning, future maintenance would be expensive & usually ineffective. This fact has been reiterated in ISA discussion many a times & it is agreed by Practicing Arborists all over the world.
ISA believes in the 'Right Tree in the Right Place' for any fruitful Tree Planting. If a tree is selected poorly by species, location & in poor quality, with the planting process damaging the rootball or the rootball miniaturized during packing for transport convenience & cost saving, then no matter in what name of 'flowering', 'scent' or 'good-looking', it will be 'Mother Nature makes the Rules' for the result. This tree would usually grow poorly, become sick easily, & then eventually become a Time Bomb to fail in wind to give us public inconveniences. International experience has shown that when such a tree is maintained for whatsoever reason, the running cost would be high & rectification treatment would be mostly ineffective in the long run.
Then the critics would shout blue murder at the maintenance parties when they see trees degrading to poor conditions as such. Would they think why the trees have become such a state in the first place? Would this also be a fair judgment in a civilized & democratic society like HK supposed to believe in the Rule of Law ??
It appears to be all so easy nowadays to criticize in our society where not giving a constructive solution at the same time. Would such practice enhance the quality of Tree Planting in the long run?
The intention to set up the Tree Management Office (TMO) in HK is likely to resolve our Tree Planting problems gradually. Rome was not built in a day & the public must have patience & tolerance to untie a knot so big & complicated left over from history. What the TMO might have interest in & priority to look into would be first of all the Roadside Trees where traffic & pedestrians rolling constantly underneath. This is the most high risk area whereas one of such trees killed a young lady in Stanley in Aug 2008. The TMO may also contemplate to eventually forbid planting big spreading species like the Ficus which would develop naturally a tree crown of +20m wide if undisturbed. This species may be 'good looking' in the beginning but turning into a liability later. There may also be other towering species planted in narrow streets in the name of 'flowering' or 'scent' but with high failure potential. Michelia alba is one of them. The TMO should set reviewing & approving such Tree Planting in consideration of public safety.
ISA HK/China has high hope on the TMO to provide our community with good & safe trees for social benefits. We would also like to see HK leading the role of international Tree planting in the China Region with our TMO.
For this we shall set patience to expect.
best regards,
Sammy Au
Station Manager
"If a tree is not designed, installed, maintained & inspected properly, it is likely to become a liability rather than an asset."
"Trees are good for the community. Trees need care like human beings. Arborists are the Tree Care Professionals."
21/11/2009
播放本新聞相關短片
公園大樹被颱風吹倒，壓毀順豐大廈外圍照明設施。
（讀者提供）
植樹選址差屢吹塌砸燈
大廈連番遭塌樹破壞招居民不滿！元朗順豐大廈住戶王先生表示，自去年至今，大廈外圍照明設施兩度被附近大樹壓毀，「一打風就吹冧棵樹，跟住就砸爛盞燈，舊年同今年都係咁，係咪唔應該再喺度種（樹）呢？」
（讀者提供）
當區區議員麥業成認為，改變種植地點的斬腳趾避沙蟲方式，並非解決問題良方，建議當局於上址加強防護措施，減低塌樹造成財物損失或人命傷亡意外。
Monday, November 16, 2009
ISA HK/China --- HK Tree News (Too Many Chiefs and not enough Indians)
国内朋友请使用翻译软件阅读本文。
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Dear Station Members,
The sent-in news a little while ago described how a construction class to train Steel Workers of 20 no. became deserted to just 5 no. within one & half months of commencement. It was worrying that when mega projects would come up in future that HK may lack skilled workers to conduct site work.
ISA HK/China has similar sentiment towards this report as our own Tree Care Industry is developing in a similar pattern with a great lack of Certified Tree Workers (CTW) to conduct Field Work, but an abundance of Certified Arborists to engage office work. In the recent ISA Exams, there were close to 200 candidates sitting for the Certified Arborist (CA) exam, but only around 10 chose to take up the CTW exam. As the CA exam is mainly testing for knowledge rather than Field Work, most of the CA in HK are now working for office functions with the majority of them not engaging Tree Work like Tree Climbing & Chainsaw Operation. As far as ISA HK/China are aware, maybe less than 5% of our CA are seen to take on regular Field Work & many are unable to climb to assess trees or to carry out Structural Pruning to international requirements on site.
Say if we have all our Arborists swarming to take on office work to command & plan, but to ignore Field Work which is dirty, strenuous & risky, then who are going to prune, fell or transplant our mature trees on site? Do we then leave it to the subcontractors of the subcontractors with untrained & unskilled labour but paid low to carry out work at their laymen desire, with our Office Arborists showing photos & reports to cover the aftermath? Would the quality of Tree Work in HK then advance to international level for our Tree Management Office, or would it just be another repeat of our past failures?
ISA HK/China has installed the Independent Practicing Arborist (IPA, http://isahkchina.blogspot.com/2008/08/isa-hkchina-independent-practicing.html ) credential to upgrade the Arborist Profession in our territory to become one which can handle knwoledge & Field Operation at the same time. The Arborist Profession is a Practitioner Trade with the Practicing Arborists expected to solve problems on site more than studying photos & reports in office. If our Arborists are downgraded to office level only & not able to handle work on site, the Arborist Profession in our territory will soon depart from international development, & we shall continue to rely on overseas Arborists to consult for us for genuine Tree Work.
ISA HK/China is planning to bring in the New Zealand National Certificate in Arboriculture to train up Field Arborists in our territory. The Station Manager will take part in the first round of training to ensure it will have a good start. We shall limit the capacity to around 20 no. only to ensure quality & adequate attendance on the students. This will be a rare opportunity for our local candidates to learn Tree Work under quality supervision & to prepare our future Arborists to work on site.
Let this message wake up our local employers at the same time to know how to select their Arborists for Tree Work in future. Would they now prefer to take up only those who can not work in the Field?
best regards,
Sammy Au
Station Manager
"If a tree is not designed, installed, maintained & inspected properly, it is likely to become a liability rather than an asset."
"Trees are good for the community. Trees need care like human beings. Arborists are the Tree Care Professionals."
青年紮鐵班個半月走剩5人 十大基建恐缺工人 擬轉培訓新移民邊青
(x報)2009年11月x日 星期 x
【x報專訊】隨著十大基建上馬，建造業議會訓練學院（前建造業訓練局）推出針對青少年的「建造業青年就業計劃」（建青計劃），欲為多個出現人手老化的工種培養新血，應付工程需要。然而首班紮鐵班今年9月開班時雖然收了近20人，但最終只有8人上課，個半月後更走剩5人。建造業議會總監（培訓）黃敦義表示失望，但當局正有多項針對新移民、邊緣青年及少數族裔的計劃，希望可為業界培訓新血。
逾5萬建造工人超過50歲
香港建造商會及工會早前指出，現時約10萬名建造業工人中，逾半皆超過50歲以上，若十大基建工程在未來數年動工，擔心會出現青黃不接，故除傳統基本工藝課程外，建訓學院特別針對紮鐵、模板、泥水工程及油漆粉飾這數個青黃不接較嚴重的行業，與勞工處合辦建青計劃，以「先受聘、後培訓」方式培訓18至24歲青年，他們會先接受約一年培訓，在職培訓期間，每月薪金不少於1萬元（見表），而日後成為經驗紮鐵工，更可能有逾千元日薪。
總監稱失望 工會料因紮鐵辛苦
首班紮鐵班在9月初開班時原有近20人報讀，然而至開課時只有8人現身，開班未夠2個月，現只剩下5人堅持下去。黃敦義表示，難免有點失望，他相信與紮鐵工作較辛苦有關，青年人一時間難以適應，加上他們及其父母本身亦對建造業前景不認識，故較易放棄。他強調，隨著當局開展更多工程，建造業工人會十分搶手。建訓學院發言人表示，退出的學員中，其中兩人已另覓工作轉行，一人僅接受訓練數天表示不適合自己離開。
香港建造業總工會理事長周聯橋及建造業議會員工總會理事長陳鋕漒亦表示，紮鐵是各地盤工種中最辛苦一種，工人不單要日曬雨淋，工作時往往要抬起以百磅計的鋼筋，不是人人捱得到。本身是建造業訓練委員會委員的周聯橋表示，上述課程在開班初期上理論課時問題不大，但其後開始實習時，學員相繼退學。陳鋕漒表示，導師會盡量與學員及家長分析前景，希望他們可回心轉意，他強調「學成後根本不愁出路，紮鐵工人日薪更可以有近千元」。
將開油漆班 先聘用後受訓
首班學員流失率高，但黃敦義稱，紮鐵只是第一班，學院11月會在建青計劃下開辦油漆班，因這計劃是需要獲僱主聘用下先接受訓練，由於業界急需人手，故不擔心報讀情况不理想。建青計劃只是學院其中一個培訓新血計劃，學院本學年的全日制基本工藝課程便會提供2000個名額，為業內人士或轉業人士而設的兼讀課程名額亦達6萬個。
黃敦義表示，除本港青少年外，學院亦正研究多項計劃，如在天水圍的訓練中心投入運作後，亦會針對當區的新移民及少數族裔，希望吸納他們加入建造業，當局估計有逾1萬人。另學院亦正與正生書院及多間非政府機構聯絡，由他們轉介邊緣青年到學院，接受正統的建造業培訓。
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*** Our weekly Station Mail is for the information of Station Members only, but Station Mail has given up copyright & can be freely circulated. For administrative reasons, comments from outsiders are usually not entertained & may be circulated within our system locally & overseas. Please note Station Mail is sometimes given in Blog at http://isahkchina.blogspot.com , although images are usually not attached due to size. ***
Dear Station Members,
The sent-in news a little while ago described how a construction class to train Steel Workers of 20 no. became deserted to just 5 no. within one & half months of commencement. It was worrying that when mega projects would come up in future that HK may lack skilled workers to conduct site work.
ISA HK/China has similar sentiment towards this report as our own Tree Care Industry is developing in a similar pattern with a great lack of Certified Tree Workers (CTW) to conduct Field Work, but an abundance of Certified Arborists to engage office work. In the recent ISA Exams, there were close to 200 candidates sitting for the Certified Arborist (CA) exam, but only around 10 chose to take up the CTW exam. As the CA exam is mainly testing for knowledge rather than Field Work, most of the CA in HK are now working for office functions with the majority of them not engaging Tree Work like Tree Climbing & Chainsaw Operation. As far as ISA HK/China are aware, maybe less than 5% of our CA are seen to take on regular Field Work & many are unable to climb to assess trees or to carry out Structural Pruning to international requirements on site.
Say if we have all our Arborists swarming to take on office work to command & plan, but to ignore Field Work which is dirty, strenuous & risky, then who are going to prune, fell or transplant our mature trees on site? Do we then leave it to the subcontractors of the subcontractors with untrained & unskilled labour but paid low to carry out work at their laymen desire, with our Office Arborists showing photos & reports to cover the aftermath? Would the quality of Tree Work in HK then advance to international level for our Tree Management Office, or would it just be another repeat of our past failures?
ISA HK/China has installed the Independent Practicing Arborist (IPA, http://isahkchina.blogspot.com/2008/08/isa-hkchina-independent-practicing.html ) credential to upgrade the Arborist Profession in our territory to become one which can handle knwoledge & Field Operation at the same time. The Arborist Profession is a Practitioner Trade with the Practicing Arborists expected to solve problems on site more than studying photos & reports in office. If our Arborists are downgraded to office level only & not able to handle work on site, the Arborist Profession in our territory will soon depart from international development, & we shall continue to rely on overseas Arborists to consult for us for genuine Tree Work.
ISA HK/China is planning to bring in the New Zealand National Certificate in Arboriculture to train up Field Arborists in our territory. The Station Manager will take part in the first round of training to ensure it will have a good start. We shall limit the capacity to around 20 no. only to ensure quality & adequate attendance on the students. This will be a rare opportunity for our local candidates to learn Tree Work under quality supervision & to prepare our future Arborists to work on site.
Let this message wake up our local employers at the same time to know how to select their Arborists for Tree Work in future. Would they now prefer to take up only those who can not work in the Field?
best regards,
Sammy Au
Station Manager
"If a tree is not designed, installed, maintained & inspected properly, it is likely to become a liability rather than an asset."
"Trees are good for the community. Trees need care like human beings. Arborists are the Tree Care Professionals."
青年紮鐵班個半月走剩5人 十大基建恐缺工人 擬轉培訓新移民邊青
(x報)2009年11月x日 星期 x
【x報專訊】隨著十大基建上馬，建造業議會訓練學院（前建造業訓練局）推出針對青少年的「建造業青年就業計劃」（建青計劃），欲為多個出現人手老化的工種培養新血，應付工程需要。然而首班紮鐵班今年9月開班時雖然收了近20人，但最終只有8人上課，個半月後更走剩5人。建造業議會總監（培訓）黃敦義表示失望，但當局正有多項針對新移民、邊緣青年及少數族裔的計劃，希望可為業界培訓新血。
逾5萬建造工人超過50歲
香港建造商會及工會早前指出，現時約10萬名建造業工人中，逾半皆超過50歲以上，若十大基建工程在未來數年動工，擔心會出現青黃不接，故除傳統基本工藝課程外，建訓學院特別針對紮鐵、模板、泥水工程及油漆粉飾這數個青黃不接較嚴重的行業，與勞工處合辦建青計劃，以「先受聘、後培訓」方式培訓18至24歲青年，他們會先接受約一年培訓，在職培訓期間，每月薪金不少於1萬元（見表），而日後成為經驗紮鐵工，更可能有逾千元日薪。
總監稱失望 工會料因紮鐵辛苦
首班紮鐵班在9月初開班時原有近20人報讀，然而至開課時只有8人現身，開班未夠2個月，現只剩下5人堅持下去。黃敦義表示，難免有點失望，他相信與紮鐵工作較辛苦有關，青年人一時間難以適應，加上他們及其父母本身亦對建造業前景不認識，故較易放棄。他強調，隨著當局開展更多工程，建造業工人會十分搶手。建訓學院發言人表示，退出的學員中，其中兩人已另覓工作轉行，一人僅接受訓練數天表示不適合自己離開。
香港建造業總工會理事長周聯橋及建造業議會員工總會理事長陳鋕漒亦表示，紮鐵是各地盤工種中最辛苦一種，工人不單要日曬雨淋，工作時往往要抬起以百磅計的鋼筋，不是人人捱得到。本身是建造業訓練委員會委員的周聯橋表示，上述課程在開班初期上理論課時問題不大，但其後開始實習時，學員相繼退學。陳鋕漒表示，導師會盡量與學員及家長分析前景，希望他們可回心轉意，他強調「學成後根本不愁出路，紮鐵工人日薪更可以有近千元」。
將開油漆班 先聘用後受訓
首班學員流失率高，但黃敦義稱，紮鐵只是第一班，學院11月會在建青計劃下開辦油漆班，因這計劃是需要獲僱主聘用下先接受訓練，由於業界急需人手，故不擔心報讀情况不理想。建青計劃只是學院其中一個培訓新血計劃，學院本學年的全日制基本工藝課程便會提供2000個名額，為業內人士或轉業人士而設的兼讀課程名額亦達6萬個。
黃敦義表示，除本港青少年外，學院亦正研究多項計劃，如在天水圍的訓練中心投入運作後，亦會針對當區的新移民及少數族裔，希望吸納他們加入建造業，當局估計有逾1萬人。另學院亦正與正生書院及多間非政府機構聯絡，由他們轉介邊緣青年到學院，接受正統的建造業培訓。
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Monday, November 9, 2009
ISA HK/China --- Largest CA exam in ISA
国内朋友请使用翻译软件阅读本文。
*** Our weekly Station Mail is for the information of Station Members only, but Station Mail has given up copyright & can be freely circulated. For administrative reasons, comments from outsiders are usually not entertained & may be circulated within our system locally & overseas. Please note Station Mail is sometimes given in Blog at http://isahkchina.blogspot.com , although images are usually not attached due to size. ***
Dear Station Members,
It is the pleasure of ISA HK/China to inform you that we now run close to the biggest Certified Arborist (CA) Exam in our territory of HK, Macau, Taiwan & China with more than 195 candidates qualified for the Nov exam, for which we have to split into two separate sessions so that we can accommodate all in Nov & Dec.
Our Proctor & Assistant Proctor strength has also grown to a phenomenal 18 no. so that we can cope with the expanding number of candidates. We can further increase this number if we have a genuine need in time to come when the ISA exams will spill further into Taiwan & China.
With facts & performance, ISA HK/China can very well tell the world that we are bearing the fore front to establish ISA in our territory & we have not failed anyone bearing hope on us to bring in proper Tree Care to our community. Our Station Membership is now close to 1,000 no. in ISA HK/China alone & there is another +200 no. in TCHK. We are now negotiating with ISA New Zealand to bring in the National Certificate in Arboriculture which is a Commonwealth credential to our territory so that in future, our local candidates do not need to go overseas for this practical training to learn how to conduct Tree Work in the field. The training is expected to come out in March 2010 & we shall announce it in Station Mail in time for all those interested to join (around 20 places only).
For your additional information, the Station Manger has already agreed to take part in the first round of the NZ National Cert training to boost intake, even though training does not bring as much income as Tree Assessment & Tree Work for the Station Manager, as his commitment to develop ISA Arboriculture in our territory. The Station Manger has trained Commonwealth Champion like KW Lee & the Fung Kai Tree Climbers. He has also given training in various Govt Depts for Arboricultural knowledge & has taken more Court Witness cases than anyone in HK.
Therefore, ISA HK/China wishes to thank you all for your continuous support. With all of you by our side, Taiwan & China will not be far away for ISA to break into. Once China is heated up for ISA credentials, there may even be a CA exam in one of the 900 cities in China every single day to satisfy their public demand. By then, the world will look upon us with a different spectrum for an ISA Organization without funding & open Govt support, but growing & running well by a dedicated group of enthusiasts, to accomplish a mission impossible which has never been attempted or succeeded by others before within the time & scale we have achieved.
best regards,
Sammy Au
Station Manager
"If a tree is not designed, installed, maintained & inspected properly, it is likely to become a liability rather than an asset."
"Trees are good for the community. Trees need care like human beings. Arborists are the Tree Care Professionals."
*** Our weekly Station Mail is for the information of Station Members only, but Station Mail has given up copyright & can be freely circulated. For administrative reasons, comments from outsiders are usually not entertained & may be circulated within our system locally & overseas. Please note Station Mail is sometimes given in Blog at http://isahkchina.blogspot.com , although images are usually not attached due to size. ***
Dear Station Members,
It is the pleasure of ISA HK/China to inform you that we now run close to the biggest Certified Arborist (CA) Exam in our territory of HK, Macau, Taiwan & China with more than 195 candidates qualified for the Nov exam, for which we have to split into two separate sessions so that we can accommodate all in Nov & Dec.
Our Proctor & Assistant Proctor strength has also grown to a phenomenal 18 no. so that we can cope with the expanding number of candidates. We can further increase this number if we have a genuine need in time to come when the ISA exams will spill further into Taiwan & China.
With facts & performance, ISA HK/China can very well tell the world that we are bearing the fore front to establish ISA in our territory & we have not failed anyone bearing hope on us to bring in proper Tree Care to our community. Our Station Membership is now close to 1,000 no. in ISA HK/China alone & there is another +200 no. in TCHK. We are now negotiating with ISA New Zealand to bring in the National Certificate in Arboriculture which is a Commonwealth credential to our territory so that in future, our local candidates do not need to go overseas for this practical training to learn how to conduct Tree Work in the field. The training is expected to come out in March 2010 & we shall announce it in Station Mail in time for all those interested to join (around 20 places only).
For your additional information, the Station Manger has already agreed to take part in the first round of the NZ National Cert training to boost intake, even though training does not bring as much income as Tree Assessment & Tree Work for the Station Manager, as his commitment to develop ISA Arboriculture in our territory. The Station Manger has trained Commonwealth Champion like KW Lee & the Fung Kai Tree Climbers. He has also given training in various Govt Depts for Arboricultural knowledge & has taken more Court Witness cases than anyone in HK.
Therefore, ISA HK/China wishes to thank you all for your continuous support. With all of you by our side, Taiwan & China will not be far away for ISA to break into. Once China is heated up for ISA credentials, there may even be a CA exam in one of the 900 cities in China every single day to satisfy their public demand. By then, the world will look upon us with a different spectrum for an ISA Organization without funding & open Govt support, but growing & running well by a dedicated group of enthusiasts, to accomplish a mission impossible which has never been attempted or succeeded by others before within the time & scale we have achieved.
best regards,
Sammy Au
Station Manager
"If a tree is not designed, installed, maintained & inspected properly, it is likely to become a liability rather than an asset."
"Trees are good for the community. Trees need care like human beings. Arborists are the Tree Care Professionals."
Saturday, October 24, 2009
ISA HK/China --- Arborist Position in TMO
Dear ISA HK/China & TCHK Station Members,
ISA HK/China has been requested by the HKSAR Govt to broadcast the Recruitment Information for non-Civil Servant vacancy as Arborist in the attachment. This post is meant to work in the future Tree Management Office (TMO) which is to be set up soon in the HKSAR Govt.
ISA HK/China has seen this as a major advancement in our Civil Services structure to recognize the Arborist Profession as an independent expertise & ISA HK/China has always been in full support for the TMO from its initial concept.
Therefore, would all those who think they are eligible for this important position, please kindly follow the given details to apply as soon as possible. ISA HK/China looks upon this future Arborist in the TMO to correct & update the Tree affairs in HK to turn our trees into social benefits & not liabilities anymore.
Good luck to all you applicants & we look forward to seeing the appropriate candidate sitting on this post to work for us very soon.
rgds,
Sammy Au
Station Manager
Development BureauWorks Branch (Non-civil Service Vacancy) Arborist (Salary: $55,500 per month)
Entry requirements:
Candidates should:
(a) have a degree in arboriculture or a related field such as botany,biology, forestry, horticulture, landscape architecture, landscapemanagement, landscape science, or equivalent;
(b) have a qualification orcertification offered by a professional institution or industry organisationon arboriculture after successful completion of examination or assessmentprocess conducted within or accredited by the institution or organisation,such as Certified Arborist of the International Society of Arboriculture,Professional Member or Fellow of the Arboricultural Association of theUK, European Tree Technician of the European Arboricultural Council,General Member of the National Arborists Association of Australia, orequivalent;
(c) have a minimum of three years of proven full-timepractical experience in arboriculture, such as experience in tree riskassessment and management, pruning, plant nutrition and fertilisation,planting and care after planting, diagnosis and treatment of tree problems,cabling and bracing, or other services that relate to arboriculture, withemphasis on preparing guidance documents on arboriculture, preparing orvetting tree risk assessment reports, supervising arboricultural work, andhandling public education and community involvement matters; and
(d)have attained Level 2 or above in English Language in the Hong KongCertificate of Education Examination (HKCEE) or equivalent, and cancommunicate in Chinese effectively, preferably with a Level 2 or abovein Chinese Language in HKCEE or equivalent
Note :
Note -(1) For non-civil service appointment purpose, ‘Grade E’ in ChineseLanguage and English Language (Syllabus B) in previous HKCEEare accepted administratively as comparable to ‘Level 2’ in ChineseLanguage and English Language in the 2007 HKCEE and thereafter.2Duties:Successful candidates will be deployed to the Tree Management Office inthe Works Branch of the Development Bureau to undertake the followingduties
Note (2):(a) Providing arboricultural technical advice on or assisting in –(i) the development and review of the tree risk assessmentarrangements and the monitoring of their application,(ii) the monitoring of the overall situation of tree removal and thehandling of complex cases,(iii) the formulation of standards and guidelines on treemanagement,(iv) research on overseas legislation, practices etc. on treemanagement,(v) liaison with the relevant local and overseas institutions on thelatest scientific and technological developments,(vi) duties relating to the Expert Panel on vegetation management,(vii) the review of Government’s emergency responsearrangements in relation to tree management, and(viii) the handling of public education and community involvementmatters;(b) Supervising the work of an inspection team; and(c) Undertaking any other duties as assigned in relation to the work ofthe Tree Management Office.
Note -(3) Successful candidates may be required to work irregular hours andon public holidays.
Terms of appointment:
Successful candidates will be employed on non-civil service contractterms for two years.
Fringe benefits:
A gratuity may be granted upon satisfactory completion of the fullcontract period with a consistently high standard of performance. The amount of gratuity payable will be the sum which, when added to theGovernment’s contribution to the Mandatory Provident Fund (MPF)Scheme as required by the MPF Schemes Ordinance, equals to 15% of the total basic salary drawn during the contract period. Twelve days’annual leave and full-pay sickness allowance and maternity leave, if applicable, will be granted. The benefits in respect of rest days and statutory holidays (or substitute holidays) will be granted in accordance with the provisions of the Employment Ordinance.
How to apply:
Application Forms [G.F. 340(Rev. 3/2008)] are obtainable from anyPublic Enquiry Service Centre of District Offices, Home AffairsDepartment or any Job Centre of the Employment Services Division,Labour Department. The said form can also be downloaded from theCivil Service Bureau’s website (http://www.csb.gov.hk).
Completed forms, together with a full curriculum vitae should reach the Personnel Unit, Development Bureau at 10/F, Murray Building, Garden Road,Central, Hong Kong (Enquiry telephone no.: 2848 2053) by 6 November 2009.
The curriculum vitae should include (a) grading ofthe subjects taken in public examinations from secondary educationonwards (with exact dates of scoring the results); (b) details of bachelordegree and higher level (e.g. major subjects and class and division ofhonours); (c) professional qualifications obtained; and (d) employmentrecords with detailed description of duties. Applications without complete or unclear information will not be considered.
Candidateswho are selected for interview will normally receive an invitation in about 4 - 6 weeks after the closing date for application. Those who are not invited for interview may assume that their applications areunsuccessful.
Closing Date for Application: 6 November 2009
General Notes:
(a) Non-civil service vacancies are not posts on the civil service establishment. Candidates appointed are not on civil service terms of appointment and conditions of service. Candidates appointed are not civil servants and will not be eligible for posting, promotion or transfer to any post in the Civil Service.
(b) Candidates appointed must be permanent residents of the Hong Kong Special Administrative Region unless specified otherwise.
(c) The entry pay, terms of appointment and conditions of service to be offered are subject to the provisions prevailing at the time the offer of appointment is made.
(d) It is Government policy to place people with a disability in appropriate jobs wherever possible. If a disabled candidate meets the entry requirements, he/shewill be invited to attend the selection interview without being subject to any further shortlisting criteria.
(e) Holders of academic qualifications other than those obtained from Hong Kong institutions / Hong Kong Examinations and Assessment Authority may also apply but their qualifications will be subject to assessments on equivalence with the required entry qualifications. They should submit copies of their official transcripts and certificates by mail together with their application forms.
ISA HK/China has been requested by the HKSAR Govt to broadcast the Recruitment Information for non-Civil Servant vacancy as Arborist in the attachment. This post is meant to work in the future Tree Management Office (TMO) which is to be set up soon in the HKSAR Govt.
ISA HK/China has seen this as a major advancement in our Civil Services structure to recognize the Arborist Profession as an independent expertise & ISA HK/China has always been in full support for the TMO from its initial concept.
Therefore, would all those who think they are eligible for this important position, please kindly follow the given details to apply as soon as possible. ISA HK/China looks upon this future Arborist in the TMO to correct & update the Tree affairs in HK to turn our trees into social benefits & not liabilities anymore.
Good luck to all you applicants & we look forward to seeing the appropriate candidate sitting on this post to work for us very soon.
rgds,
Sammy Au
Station Manager
Development BureauWorks Branch (Non-civil Service Vacancy) Arborist (Salary: $55,500 per month)
Entry requirements:
Candidates should:
(a) have a degree in arboriculture or a related field such as botany,biology, forestry, horticulture, landscape architecture, landscapemanagement, landscape science, or equivalent;
(b) have a qualification orcertification offered by a professional institution or industry organisationon arboriculture after successful completion of examination or assessmentprocess conducted within or accredited by the institution or organisation,such as Certified Arborist of the International Society of Arboriculture,Professional Member or Fellow of the Arboricultural Association of theUK, European Tree Technician of the European Arboricultural Council,General Member of the National Arborists Association of Australia, orequivalent;
(c) have a minimum of three years of proven full-timepractical experience in arboriculture, such as experience in tree riskassessment and management, pruning, plant nutrition and fertilisation,planting and care after planting, diagnosis and treatment of tree problems,cabling and bracing, or other services that relate to arboriculture, withemphasis on preparing guidance documents on arboriculture, preparing orvetting tree risk assessment reports, supervising arboricultural work, andhandling public education and community involvement matters; and
(d)have attained Level 2 or above in English Language in the Hong KongCertificate of Education Examination (HKCEE) or equivalent, and cancommunicate in Chinese effectively, preferably with a Level 2 or abovein Chinese Language in HKCEE or equivalent
Note :
Note -(1) For non-civil service appointment purpose, ‘Grade E’ in ChineseLanguage and English Language (Syllabus B) in previous HKCEEare accepted administratively as comparable to ‘Level 2’ in ChineseLanguage and English Language in the 2007 HKCEE and thereafter.2Duties:Successful candidates will be deployed to the Tree Management Office inthe Works Branch of the Development Bureau to undertake the followingduties
Note (2):(a) Providing arboricultural technical advice on or assisting in –(i) the development and review of the tree risk assessmentarrangements and the monitoring of their application,(ii) the monitoring of the overall situation of tree removal and thehandling of complex cases,(iii) the formulation of standards and guidelines on treemanagement,(iv) research on overseas legislation, practices etc. on treemanagement,(v) liaison with the relevant local and overseas institutions on thelatest scientific and technological developments,(vi) duties relating to the Expert Panel on vegetation management,(vii) the review of Government’s emergency responsearrangements in relation to tree management, and(viii) the handling of public education and community involvementmatters;(b) Supervising the work of an inspection team; and(c) Undertaking any other duties as assigned in relation to the work ofthe Tree Management Office.
Note -(3) Successful candidates may be required to work irregular hours andon public holidays.
Terms of appointment:
Successful candidates will be employed on non-civil service contractterms for two years.
Fringe benefits:
A gratuity may be granted upon satisfactory completion of the fullcontract period with a consistently high standard of performance. The amount of gratuity payable will be the sum which, when added to theGovernment’s contribution to the Mandatory Provident Fund (MPF)Scheme as required by the MPF Schemes Ordinance, equals to 15% of the total basic salary drawn during the contract period. Twelve days’annual leave and full-pay sickness allowance and maternity leave, if applicable, will be granted. The benefits in respect of rest days and statutory holidays (or substitute holidays) will be granted in accordance with the provisions of the Employment Ordinance.
How to apply:
Application Forms [G.F. 340(Rev. 3/2008)] are obtainable from anyPublic Enquiry Service Centre of District Offices, Home AffairsDepartment or any Job Centre of the Employment Services Division,Labour Department. The said form can also be downloaded from theCivil Service Bureau’s website (http://www.csb.gov.hk).
Completed forms, together with a full curriculum vitae should reach the Personnel Unit, Development Bureau at 10/F, Murray Building, Garden Road,Central, Hong Kong (Enquiry telephone no.: 2848 2053) by 6 November 2009.
The curriculum vitae should include (a) grading ofthe subjects taken in public examinations from secondary educationonwards (with exact dates of scoring the results); (b) details of bachelordegree and higher level (e.g. major subjects and class and division ofhonours); (c) professional qualifications obtained; and (d) employmentrecords with detailed description of duties. Applications without complete or unclear information will not be considered.
Candidateswho are selected for interview will normally receive an invitation in about 4 - 6 weeks after the closing date for application. Those who are not invited for interview may assume that their applications areunsuccessful.
Closing Date for Application: 6 November 2009
General Notes:
(a) Non-civil service vacancies are not posts on the civil service establishment. Candidates appointed are not on civil service terms of appointment and conditions of service. Candidates appointed are not civil servants and will not be eligible for posting, promotion or transfer to any post in the Civil Service.
(b) Candidates appointed must be permanent residents of the Hong Kong Special Administrative Region unless specified otherwise.
(c) The entry pay, terms of appointment and conditions of service to be offered are subject to the provisions prevailing at the time the offer of appointment is made.
(d) It is Government policy to place people with a disability in appropriate jobs wherever possible. If a disabled candidate meets the entry requirements, he/shewill be invited to attend the selection interview without being subject to any further shortlisting criteria.
(e) Holders of academic qualifications other than those obtained from Hong Kong institutions / Hong Kong Examinations and Assessment Authority may also apply but their qualifications will be subject to assessments on equivalence with the required entry qualifications. They should submit copies of their official transcripts and certificates by mail together with their application forms.
Wednesday, October 7, 2009
ISA HK/China --- Incoming Mail (Arboricultural Degree)
国内朋友请使用翻译软件阅读本文。
*** Our weekly Station Mail is for the information of Station Members only, but Station Mail has given up copyright & can be freely circulated. For administrative reasons, comments from outsiders are usually not entertained & may be circulated within our system locally & overseas. Please note Station Mail is sometimes given in Blog at http://isahkchina.blogspot.com , although images are usually not attached due to size. ***
Dear xxx,
Thank you for your enquiry below. We broadcast our reply in an open Station Mail while covering your identity, but we are sure that you can pick it up to be your own by recognizing your own message below.
Being the official representative to promote ISA in our territory of HK, Macau, Taiwan & China, we follow the ISA practice not to recognize any arboricultural credential but only that of ISA & of ISA HK/China. Therefore, it is your freedom to pursuit any arboricultural credential in the market but ISA HK/China would only endorse upon the Certified Arborist (CA), Certified Tree Worker (CTW) & Independent Practicing Arborist (IPA) (http://isahkchina.blogspot.com/2008/08/isa-hkchina-independent-practicing.html), or any other local credential of our own in our territory in future.
Please also note that it is a Pre-Qualification Requirement for a degree holder in Arboriculture to have a minimum of 1 year full time Tree Work experience if this candidate wishes to apply for the CA exam. In other word, obtaining a degree in Arboriculture does not qualify you to become a Certified Arborist (CA), & the CA credential is taken as a post graduate qualification.
There are basically 6 requirements to register as an IPA in our territory:
1. Holding the CA credential for more than 3 years; &
2. Simultaneously holding the CTW credential for more than 3 years; &
3. Attending an ISA International Conference at least once; &
4. Holding an 'O' Level in Common Laws or equivalent; &
5. Holding an 'A' Level in English Language or equivalent; &
6. Demonstrating competency in Chainsaw Operation & Basic Rigging on tree.
Obtaining an Arboricultural degree does not satisfy any of the 6 requirements above & therefore does not exempt you from any of the above to be registered into our IPA system.
What our territory would need most urgently now are really Field Arborists & not Office Arborists to conduct Tree Survey (in an approved Arboricultural manner), Structural Pruning (with Tree Climbing & Rigging), Tree Inspection & Assessment, & Arboricultural Consultation (to site management & works teams). ISA HK/China have briefly browsed into several of the Arboricultural Degree Distant Learning Program on-line & found that they are mostly literature & research based only. After all, very few distant learning programs in greenery training can offer field work due to the lack of approved tutors locally & training ground. This will be like training up a bunch of Medical Practitioners over a computer only without clinical practice. We do not recognize this can meet our requirements to become an IPA.
ISA HK/China is currently working hard with ISA NZ to bring over the National Certificate in Arboriculture (Level 4) which is much field based to train up Practicing Arborists in our territory. Do remember that ISA HK/China is not for just HK alone but do serve other parts of our territory of Macau, Taiwan & the massive China. Our vision does not stop at HK only & we look way far beyond. HK alone does not limit our advancement, & we have to care for the need & development in other parts of our territory. Our IPA system & the introduction of the National Certificate in Arboriculture (Level 4) are meant for just that.
Please do keep you eye open for our announcement for the National Certificate in Arboriculture (Level 4) in the near future, if you are interested to enter field practice rather than just focusing on office work & research alone.
best regards,
Sammy Au
Station Manager
"If a tree is not designed, installed, maintained & inspected properly, it is likely to become a liability rather than an asset."
"Trees are good for the community. Trees need care like human beings. Arborists are the Tree Care Professionals."
----- Original Message -----
From: xxx
To: egc@netvigator.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 0x, 2009 x:x8 PM
Subject: Enquiry on Arboricultural Degree
Hi Sammy,
My friends are now talking about some distant learning for a degree in Arboriculture. Do you have any knowledge in this & does your Station approve? If I get this degree at the end, can you exempt me for my lack of working experience to register as IPA in your Station?
Many thanks & have a good day.
Regards,
xxx
Station Member
*** Our weekly Station Mail is for the information of Station Members only, but Station Mail has given up copyright & can be freely circulated. For administrative reasons, comments from outsiders are usually not entertained & may be circulated within our system locally & overseas. Please note Station Mail is sometimes given in Blog at http://isahkchina.blogspot.com , although images are usually not attached due to size. ***
Dear xxx,
Thank you for your enquiry below. We broadcast our reply in an open Station Mail while covering your identity, but we are sure that you can pick it up to be your own by recognizing your own message below.
Being the official representative to promote ISA in our territory of HK, Macau, Taiwan & China, we follow the ISA practice not to recognize any arboricultural credential but only that of ISA & of ISA HK/China. Therefore, it is your freedom to pursuit any arboricultural credential in the market but ISA HK/China would only endorse upon the Certified Arborist (CA), Certified Tree Worker (CTW) & Independent Practicing Arborist (IPA) (http://isahkchina.blogspot.com/2008/08/isa-hkchina-independent-practicing.html), or any other local credential of our own in our territory in future.
Please also note that it is a Pre-Qualification Requirement for a degree holder in Arboriculture to have a minimum of 1 year full time Tree Work experience if this candidate wishes to apply for the CA exam. In other word, obtaining a degree in Arboriculture does not qualify you to become a Certified Arborist (CA), & the CA credential is taken as a post graduate qualification.
There are basically 6 requirements to register as an IPA in our territory:
1. Holding the CA credential for more than 3 years; &
2. Simultaneously holding the CTW credential for more than 3 years; &
3. Attending an ISA International Conference at least once; &
4. Holding an 'O' Level in Common Laws or equivalent; &
5. Holding an 'A' Level in English Language or equivalent; &
6. Demonstrating competency in Chainsaw Operation & Basic Rigging on tree.
Obtaining an Arboricultural degree does not satisfy any of the 6 requirements above & therefore does not exempt you from any of the above to be registered into our IPA system.
What our territory would need most urgently now are really Field Arborists & not Office Arborists to conduct Tree Survey (in an approved Arboricultural manner), Structural Pruning (with Tree Climbing & Rigging), Tree Inspection & Assessment, & Arboricultural Consultation (to site management & works teams). ISA HK/China have briefly browsed into several of the Arboricultural Degree Distant Learning Program on-line & found that they are mostly literature & research based only. After all, very few distant learning programs in greenery training can offer field work due to the lack of approved tutors locally & training ground. This will be like training up a bunch of Medical Practitioners over a computer only without clinical practice. We do not recognize this can meet our requirements to become an IPA.
ISA HK/China is currently working hard with ISA NZ to bring over the National Certificate in Arboriculture (Level 4) which is much field based to train up Practicing Arborists in our territory. Do remember that ISA HK/China is not for just HK alone but do serve other parts of our territory of Macau, Taiwan & the massive China. Our vision does not stop at HK only & we look way far beyond. HK alone does not limit our advancement, & we have to care for the need & development in other parts of our territory. Our IPA system & the introduction of the National Certificate in Arboriculture (Level 4) are meant for just that.
Please do keep you eye open for our announcement for the National Certificate in Arboriculture (Level 4) in the near future, if you are interested to enter field practice rather than just focusing on office work & research alone.
best regards,
Sammy Au
Station Manager
"If a tree is not designed, installed, maintained & inspected properly, it is likely to become a liability rather than an asset."
"Trees are good for the community. Trees need care like human beings. Arborists are the Tree Care Professionals."
----- Original Message -----
From: xxx
To: egc@netvigator.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 0x, 2009 x:x8 PM
Subject: Enquiry on Arboricultural Degree
Hi Sammy,
My friends are now talking about some distant learning for a degree in Arboriculture. Do you have any knowledge in this & does your Station approve? If I get this degree at the end, can you exempt me for my lack of working experience to register as IPA in your Station?
Many thanks & have a good day.
Regards,
xxx
Station Member
Friday, September 25, 2009
ISA HK/China --- Incoming Mail (The Spirit of Supervision)
国内朋友请使用翻译软件阅读本文。
*** Our weekly Station Mail is for the information of Station Members only, but Station Mail has given up copyright & can be freely circulated. For administrative reasons, comments from outsiders are usually not entertained & may be circulated within our system locally & overseas. Please note Station Mail is sometimes given in Blog at http://isahkchina.blogspot.com , although images are usually not attached due to size. ***
Dear xxx,
Thank you for your enquiry. We broadcast our reply by covering your personal details so that your identity is protected as our usual practice. We have been asked several times on the same topic in the past.
Your enquiry is of a common nature in our territory in the belief that books & lectures can cover all knowledge & credentials alone can help to conduct good work. This common hypothesis would not stand up in the Arborist Profession internationally unfortunately.
We would direct you to first of all understand the word of 'Supervision' in dictionary. In the computer dictionary of Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supervision), this term would be defined as:
"Supervision means the act of watching over the work or tasks of another who may lack full knowledge of the concept at hand. Supervision does not mean control of another but guidance in a work, professional or personal context.
In work environments, a supervisor is one who oversees workers."
In other word, anyone conducting Supervision should be very knowledgeable in the trade, has experience in the work & is able to show or even take over the work from the subordinates when it becomes necessary.
In the case of Tree Pruning, we would expect the Pruning Supervisor to be able to climb to inspect tree, lay out a Work Plan, tell his/her workers exactly where to cut & with what, & is able to demonstrate chainsaw operation for cutting if his/her workers become subversive. In general term, the subordinates would only respect the senior if the senior is better & stronger than they are. If not, mutiny or feet dragging would occur to slow or mess up the whole piece of work.
Imagine an Army Sergeant who can not fire a gun. Would his soldiers listen to him/her in a firing practice? Or in the case of a Driving Instructor who can not handle the car?
Similar analogy would apply to other Tree Work like transplantation, removal or tree survey as you have mentioned. The Supervisor must be experienced, well trained & capable to conduct the assignment, before he/she is accepted by his/her workforce for Supervision.
ISA HK/China do not know of a Tree Work Supervisor in western country who can not climb, operate chainsaws or rig, but just waving credentials & qualifications on site. This person will become a laughing stock among the tree workers.
Therefore, perhaps your enquiry has been answered in an indirect manner & we hope you would now appreciate why ISA HK/China had set up the IPA (http://isahkchina.blogspot.com/2008/08/isa-hkchina-independent-practicing.html) credential to ensure our Practicing Arborists can design & supervise Arboricultural Work in any form it may arrive. The IPA is the next step to aim after your Certified Arborist credential & the conditions to become one would ensure you to be good enough to carry out Tree Work Supervision along with others.
ISA HK/China would expect you to have a long way to go before you would consider to conduct Supervision in Arboricultural Work after your first qualification.
best regards,
Sammy Au
Station Manager
"If a tree is not designed, installed, maintained & inspected properly, it is likely to become a liability rather than an asset."
"Trees are good for the community. Trees need care like human beings. Arborists are the Tree Care Professionals."
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寄件人: xxx
收件人: Eurasian Garden Ltd / ISA HK/China
傳送日期﹕ 2009 年 x月 xx 日 星期x 下午 x:10:08
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Dear Mr. Au,
I am recently qualified & I am asked to supervise tree work (pruning/transplanting/survey) by bosses. Any books you recommend to study to do well on site?
Thank you for reply.
Regards,
xxx
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Saturday, September 12, 2009
ISA HK/China --- HK Tree News (Wanchai and Repulse Bay Tree Failure)
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Dear Station Members,
Attached & below are two recent counts of local Tree Failure worthy for discussion in our Station:
1. Tree Failure in Buk Tai Temple in Wanchai (see attached)
This incident appeared on the local media may be because the fallen branches damaged a temple where prominent citizens are visiting. Other than that, there did not appear to be any significant value in this Tree Failure case when compared to many other Tree Failures on slope all over HK.
What has raised the eyebrow of this Station in this incident would be that this tree was said to be inspected by somebody just 3 months ago before the incident. As trees are developing creatures & they change shape & condition in reaction to the environment, it is very difficult to draw a line to say whether this tree must fail in a certain time. Tree Assessment is always an educational prediction in ISA knowledge so far & ISA HK/China would always recommend a Tree Assessor to possess the basic knwoledge listed in our previous Station Mail (http://isahkchina.blogspot.com/2009/04/isa-hkchina-tree-assessment.html), & not just someone waving credentials. Many Arborists around the world have tried to quantify Tree Assessment but owing to the many factors which can affect the calculation & modeling, not one single method has been adopted by ISA so far to be a universal method for standardization, including the use of Detection Tools for Decay determination (http://isahkchina.blogspot.com/2009/04/isa-hkchina-2009-isa-research-on-tools.html).
The Station Manger recently became involved with a similar case of Tree Failure somewhere in Kowloon leading to a law suit for property damages. He has issued a +20 page Expert Witness Report on the incident to comment on responsibilities & liabilities of the opposite side. This just shows that there is always a legal risk involved in carrying out any Tree Assessment if the damages can not be settled between the two parties, & Arborist is frequently the tool to provide independent opinion on the incident.
Let's hope it would not be the case for this one.
2. Tree Failure in Repulse Bay (see below)
This appeared to be a typical case of the client wanting a 'flowering' tree to be grown in his/her compound & expected the tree roots to grow to the centre of the Earth to hold the tree against wind.
It can be seen from the photos given that there were hardly any roots adequate for anchorage, yet the tree had developed a full crown above to attract wind. Then when adequate wind pressure exerted on the crown, the tree body simply toppled over like a domino card.
In Arboriculture, we always say it is 'Mother Nature makes the Rules, not anybody' for Tree Planting. A tree may be planted there for 'flowering, scent or Instant Effect', but it will be Mother Nature to determine whether this tree is going to last, & would fail it when conditions are met.
Would the public be willing to listen to the Arborists gradually?
best regards,
Sammy Au
Station Manager
"If a tree is not designed, installed, maintained & inspected properly, it is likely to become a liability rather than an asset."
"Trees are good for the community. Trees need care like human beings. Arborists are the Tree Care Professionals."
淺水灣塌10米鳳凰木險壓學童
(x報)2009年9月12日 星期六
【x報專訊】毗鄰國際學校的港島淺水灣別墅，昨晨有一棵逾10米高的鳳凰木塌下，粗壯枝椏擊毁數輛薄餅店外賣電單車。附近保安員稱，事發前有學童行經，幸沒被壓倒，否則恐重演塌樹殺人慘劇。香港大學地理系講座教授詹志勇指大樹被埋在「層層疊」的石屎層中，令根部組織壞死，最終不勝負荷「齊口」折斷。
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Dear Station Members,
Attached & below are two recent counts of local Tree Failure worthy for discussion in our Station:
1. Tree Failure in Buk Tai Temple in Wanchai (see attached)
This incident appeared on the local media may be because the fallen branches damaged a temple where prominent citizens are visiting. Other than that, there did not appear to be any significant value in this Tree Failure case when compared to many other Tree Failures on slope all over HK.
What has raised the eyebrow of this Station in this incident would be that this tree was said to be inspected by somebody just 3 months ago before the incident. As trees are developing creatures & they change shape & condition in reaction to the environment, it is very difficult to draw a line to say whether this tree must fail in a certain time. Tree Assessment is always an educational prediction in ISA knowledge so far & ISA HK/China would always recommend a Tree Assessor to possess the basic knwoledge listed in our previous Station Mail (http://isahkchina.blogspot.com/2009/04/isa-hkchina-tree-assessment.html), & not just someone waving credentials. Many Arborists around the world have tried to quantify Tree Assessment but owing to the many factors which can affect the calculation & modeling, not one single method has been adopted by ISA so far to be a universal method for standardization, including the use of Detection Tools for Decay determination (http://isahkchina.blogspot.com/2009/04/isa-hkchina-2009-isa-research-on-tools.html).
The Station Manger recently became involved with a similar case of Tree Failure somewhere in Kowloon leading to a law suit for property damages. He has issued a +20 page Expert Witness Report on the incident to comment on responsibilities & liabilities of the opposite side. This just shows that there is always a legal risk involved in carrying out any Tree Assessment if the damages can not be settled between the two parties, & Arborist is frequently the tool to provide independent opinion on the incident.
Let's hope it would not be the case for this one.
2. Tree Failure in Repulse Bay (see below)
This appeared to be a typical case of the client wanting a 'flowering' tree to be grown in his/her compound & expected the tree roots to grow to the centre of the Earth to hold the tree against wind.
It can be seen from the photos given that there were hardly any roots adequate for anchorage, yet the tree had developed a full crown above to attract wind. Then when adequate wind pressure exerted on the crown, the tree body simply toppled over like a domino card.
In Arboriculture, we always say it is 'Mother Nature makes the Rules, not anybody' for Tree Planting. A tree may be planted there for 'flowering, scent or Instant Effect', but it will be Mother Nature to determine whether this tree is going to last, & would fail it when conditions are met.
Would the public be willing to listen to the Arborists gradually?
best regards,
Sammy Au
Station Manager
"If a tree is not designed, installed, maintained & inspected properly, it is likely to become a liability rather than an asset."
"Trees are good for the community. Trees need care like human beings. Arborists are the Tree Care Professionals."
淺水灣塌10米鳳凰木險壓學童
(x報)2009年9月12日 星期六
【x報專訊】毗鄰國際學校的港島淺水灣別墅，昨晨有一棵逾10米高的鳳凰木塌下，粗壯枝椏擊毁數輛薄餅店外賣電單車。附近保安員稱，事發前有學童行經，幸沒被壓倒，否則恐重演塌樹殺人慘劇。香港大學地理系講座教授詹志勇指大樹被埋在「層層疊」的石屎層中，令根部組織壞死，最終不勝負荷「齊口」折斷。
毗鄰國際校 兩學生剛行經
倒塌的鳳凰木逾10米高，樹幹直徑近一米，根部被直徑兩米的花崗岩包圍，植於淺水灣道78至80號的淺水灣別墅範圍內，屬私人管理樹木。屋苑保安員稱，該樹每年都有專人修剪樹椏和除蟲。街坊對大樹突然塌下深感可惜，但慶幸未有造成傷亡，「隔籬商場有一間國際學校，很多學前幼童上學，塌樹前就有兩個學生行過，好彩避得過，否則壓死人」。
事發昨晨9時許，巨大的鳳凰木突然向海灘道35號商場方向塌下，壓毁兩道鐵閘，數米長的樹椏擊向薄餅店的外賣電單車，車尾外賣箱被打穿。消防員到場搜索後證實無人受傷或被困。
學者﹕樹根埋石屎層 嚴重蛀蝕
現場所見，鳳凰木樹根連著花崗岩砌成的底座「齊口」折斷，中間露出一個近半米的樹洞。有「樹醫生」之稱的專家詹志勇看過相片後指出，該鳳凰木樹齡30多年，樹根已被真菌嚴重蛀蝕，雖然仍能維持表面的枝葉繁盛，但其生長環境十分惡劣，「塌下是遲早的事」。
他指出，樹根是埋在不同新舊的石屎層下，顯然是在不同年份有人用「一層又一層石屎疊上去」，卻令樹根埋在十分堅硬的泥土中，無法吸收養分和空氣，新根不長，老根被真菌蛀蝕，結果必會承受不了樹身重量塌下。
Sunday, August 30, 2009
ISA HK/China --- HK Tree News (DP on Tree Law)
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Dear Station Members,
Below is yet another piece of HK News re-asserting the cry for a local Tree Law to protect any tree from interference, even for those which are outside the lease control in current Land Regulation. In principle, the intention is all good for Tree Preservation in our territory.
On the other hand, ISA HK/China would draw our Station Member's attention to the following issues not mentioned but worth considering in the preparation of any Tree Law in HK:
1. By enacting a Tree Law to protect all trees (including private trees grown in private land), would it prevent the affected trees from intentional removal before the Law would come into effect? Would it really save our trees at the end instead of having them chopped off willingly for avoidance of supervision? Can we prevent this from happenning before the Law is enacted? How?
2. Would the public, especially those land owners in the rural areas, accept such a Law intending to deprive their ownership of their own trees? Would it lead to commotion among the rural public as seen with other interfering policies in the past? Would this disturb social harmony & what for?
3. What kind of control other than Tree Retention is going to be implemented for this future Tree Law? Who is going to decide whether a tree is to be retained, transplanted or felled? Arborists or somebody else? Have we not seen so many so-called 'trees', including bananas, bamboos & palms which live short & difficult to transplant, have been retained inappropriately in HK over the years? Who is going to accept liabilities if trees are retained incorrectly after so much public funding squandered?
4. Would the professionals making decision on Tree Retention be a neutral party with Integrity, Professionalism, with an attitude of Fact-finding & Truth-telling, or just someone who would write good to please the client for financial reward? What international standards are going to be used for making any decision? Would 'in-house' report, or an Independent Report from a Third Party without Conflict of Interest, be deemed acceptable?
5. Who is going to supervise the running of this proposed Tree Law? What kind of training is required as necessary for execution? Any Independent Tribunal for appeal?
6. If the retained tree eventually becomes a Time Bomb & kills somebody or causes property damages, who is the party going to undertake liabilities? Would it be the Tree Owner who is forced to retain the tree, or the Govt Agency enforcing the Law, or whom?
7. A retained tree will grow. In accordance with international practice, it will need to be maintained properly so that it can become an asset instead of a liability. We have seen too often that incorrect pruning has damaged many trees in HK, & a lot of urban trees have failed due to this. Who is then going to pay for this sustainable maintenance, with what standards of prqactice & supervision, & who will be qualified to carry out the work?
Above are just a string of technical & legal questions that the politicians would need to study & answer, before perhaps any Tree Law can be further conceived in HK. Otherwise, it would be like some of the current Technical Guidelines full of good intention but challenged continuously by the receiving end to make works slow & unsmooth. HK has seen too good wishes turned sour because of various reasons. Do we wish to see a repetition to happen for a future Tree Law as well?
The proposed Tree Law is likely to be one area that the the future Tree Management Office (TMO) is going to run into, or would be required to deal with, with skills, experience & research. ISA HK/China, through the mighty support of ISA from 50 countries in the past 85 years, will be willing to give the future TMO is helping hand, if we are ever asked to make our contribution.
For this we shall live up our word.
best regards,
Sammy Au
Station Manager
"If a tree is not designed, installed, maintained & inspected properly, it is likely to become a liability rather than an asset."
"Trees are good for the community. Trees need care like human beings. Arborists are the Tree Care Professionals."
民主黨擬樹木法防濫伐
(x報)2009年8月31日
【x報專訊】民主黨甘乃威指出，現時部分私人地段的樹木不受保育樹木的條款管制，可以隨時遭砍伐或破壞，建議訂立《樹木法》防止事件發生，包括制定罰則、修剪或砍樹前須申請。該黨規劃師吳永輝則指出，現時罰則未具阻嚇性，建議把砍樹及破壞樹木等行為刑事化。
九成私地契沒保樹條款
發展局發言人回應，暫時以行政、公眾教育方法去保護樹木。吳永輝表示，80年代中期以前所批出的私人地契沒有保育樹木條款，無法阻止私人業主砍樹，雖然日後地契已加入條款，但估計現時約九成地契是在80年代中以前批出，即多數樹木不受保護。他又指就算是一些受管制不能隨意砍伐的樹木，例如在政府公地上的樹木，有機會以混凝土等方法遭人「毒害」，令樹木枯萎，他要求政府立法管制。
甘乃威擬10月提初稿
公民黨陳淑莊目前正草擬《樹木法》，民主黨亦會另擬《樹木法》，制訂罰則禁止在未授權下砍伐、移植、修剪、破壞樹木，除非已向有關部門申請。甘乃威希望10月會有私人草案初稿，屆時會與公民黨商討協調提出草案保護樹木。
放大
民主黨昨日在維園一棵古樹下舉行論壇，多名嘉賓批評現有法例未足保護樹木，包括現有保護樹木的政策未有法例支持。右一為民主黨甘乃威。
Saturday, August 22, 2009
ISA HK/China --- Local 'Instant Effect' of Aug 2009
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Dear Station Members,
Attached are 3 counts of Tree Planting enquiries sent in by Station Members in the month of Aug 2009. We shall discuss the technical aspect of them as an education scenario only.
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1. Scan008
This event has been exposed by local newspaper already & much of HK has acknowledged the fact that this tree planting could not be regarded as something sustainable, but would rather be taken as a quick 'Instant Effect' to satisfy greenery requirement.
The species chosen is Cinnamomum burmanii, which would grow to +8 m tall with a crown spread of +8 m easily, if room can be allowed for upper ground & underground development. One of the trees so shown was already blown over by wind possibly due to lack of root anchorage, & staking did not appear possible for a growing pot of such narrow width to be effective. Also, the pot is unusually tall with a small diameter bottom to balance the tree in wind, & was probably used while expecting root growth to be downwards instead of sideway.
If the trees in these pots are allowed to mature in time, the Wind Sail Effect in the canopy is likely to topple them owing to the top heavy situation. For all the work & cost so spent in this tree planting, the Arborist could simply see no long term benefit but rather potent liabilities if it is allowed to stay.
2. Rooftop Planting in North NT
Form the photos so given & attached, this appears to be a case of Roof Top Planting in the name of 'Greening' taken to the extreme for another 'Instant Effect'. Quite possibly the developer did not realize that they are in effect putting a full range of Time Bombs on their houses for future headaches.
To start with, anyone wanting to put trees of such maturity on a roof top, has possibly ignored the fact that trees will grow. Even if the planter size is big enough to let this tree grow to a certain extent, then what about the Wing Loading thumping tons of wood up & down in future on a roof top to likely damage building structure & waterproofing? This may not happen instantly, but what about in a few year's time?
Also, the species chosen appeared to be Ficus benjamina which can grow to +20m tall & +20m wide. Even if the structure can support the future weight, then what about the huge canopy in future catching wind in case of a typhoon? Wind is passing at higher speed away from ground, & the higher it is, the stronger it becomes. Wind is the biggest enemy of tree & can we sacrifice safety for 'good looking' or 'cooling' for tree planting?
Does the whole thing make sense?
3. KLN Tong Tree Planting
It was said that the developer wanted to green the wall behind & therefore a row of fast growing trees (Ficus benjamina again) were installed for an 'Instant Effect' to add Greenery. The trees were planted approx. 1.5 m apart with canopies already touching each other, & the planter width did not exceed 0.6 m. Any sensible person can imagine what is going to happen there in 3 years time.
While the canopy of the Row Trees is going to spread into the driveway next to it, it may be pruned back constantly for traffic passage. Crown Raising to be combined with Topping are likely to be performed by those 'Specialist Contractors' if no Arborist supervision is required. Also, since the canopy overhanging the wall on the opposite side would require Tree Climbing to prune, this side may be left unpruned since it does not obstruct traffic. Then we may get a row of lob-sided trees to favour away from the Driveway. In wind, the whole row of trees may simply collapse, or damage the wall structure with roots pushing in all directions.
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Since the above information was received as recent as only this month, it simply shows how heavy the workload it will be for the future Tree Management Office (TMO) to correct Tree Malpractice all over HK. It is always true that while we try to prevent trees from becoming dangerous, we should not allow more trees to be planted to become Time Bombs in the name of 'Instant Effect' or 'good looking'. The future TMO has a duty to lead HK to plant safe trees, & monitoring Tree Planting Design is one way to ensure Quality Tree Planting. Any design not following international practice or scientific requirements, no matter in what name it says, should not be approved by the TMO for installation, or else we may repeat mistakes of the past. It is always mother Nature makes the Rules, not anybody for tree planting.
ISA HK/China has great faith in the future TMO to correct Tree Malpractice in HK, & for this we shall support the TMO to the last word always.
best regards,
Sammy Au
Station Manager
"If a tree is not designed, installed, maintained & inspected properly, it is likely to become a liability rather than an asset."
"Trees are good for the community. Trees need care like human beings. Arborists are the Tree Care Professionals."
Tuesday, August 18, 2009
ISA HK/China --- Incoming Mail (Seminar Training in HK/China)
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Dear xxx,
Thank you for your message & enquiry. We broadcast the reply because we think it may of a nature of general interest to our Station Members, without disclosing your details as we usually comply.
It is a Station Policy that we do not comment on any training program or seminar without our participation, simply because we know of no details of what is involved. On the other hand, we would recommend you to study the program carefully to see if it fits your needs, & not just because of the packaging & advertisement. For example, if you are a beginner in the Arborist Industry, would you be able to understand what a researcher with years of academic experience in a specific field to talk about something specialized in his work without much regard to your level of understanding? This is something you would need to balance off before entering.
If the Motorist Association of HK is going to invite the World Champion of F1 Racing to give a session on 'How to win Formula 1 Race on Track', do you think a Learner Driver or someone who has just passed the Driving Test can follow the teaching? Or would the World Champion be interested to take the students by the hand on how to change gear in a corner? Then, are both sides matching?
In western countries, candidates learn Arboriculture through fundamental training programs like the 'National Certificate in Arboriculture' for Tree Biology, Tree Inspection, Tree Climbing, Chainsaw uses, to Tree Biomechanics. They would stay for approx. 3 years for knowledge & practice to first obtain their own National Qualification, & then proceed to the ISA Certified Arborist (CA) credential to become internationally recognized. However, this does not appear to be the case in our territory. Our candidates would prefer to take a short cut to go straight to pass the 200 multiple choice questions in the CA exam to obtain the ISA credential, & most would not revert to regain the basics in Arboriculture before going into private practice. This would be like building a skyscraper from top down. Would it really work?
ISA HK/China is currently considering to collaborate with quality international trainers to begin courses in Basic Arboriculture leading to a National Certificate of some kind. The training may take long, perhaps even more than a year, but it will be beneficial to someone who really wants to stay in the Arborist Industry instead of of dashing in to grab quick cash. Arborist Work is a legally sensitive profession & foul play can lead to Court Scenario as seen many a times in western countries. ISA HK/China would like to see the Arborist Profession develop healthily in our territory instead of just a quick flash.
I am attaching a similar Station Mail on 'World Champion to train HK' some time ago for your interesting study. You are welcomed to contact me at 9090 6719 anytime for any further discussion.
best regards,
Sammy Au
Station Manager
"If a tree is not designed, installed, maintained & inspected properly, it is likely to become a liability rather than an asset."
"Trees are good for the community. Trees need care like human beings. Arborists are the Tree Care Professionals."
----- Original Message -----
From: xxx
To: egc@netvigator.com
Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 7:52 PM
Subject: seminar training
Hi Sammy Au,
Do u recommend me to join the attached seminar training? Why don't the Station organize advanced seminar to us?
Thank you.
Regards,
xxx
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Dear xxx,
Thank you for your message & enquiry. We broadcast the reply because we think it may of a nature of general interest to our Station Members, without disclosing your details as we usually comply.
It is a Station Policy that we do not comment on any training program or seminar without our participation, simply because we know of no details of what is involved. On the other hand, we would recommend you to study the program carefully to see if it fits your needs, & not just because of the packaging & advertisement. For example, if you are a beginner in the Arborist Industry, would you be able to understand what a researcher with years of academic experience in a specific field to talk about something specialized in his work without much regard to your level of understanding? This is something you would need to balance off before entering.
If the Motorist Association of HK is going to invite the World Champion of F1 Racing to give a session on 'How to win Formula 1 Race on Track', do you think a Learner Driver or someone who has just passed the Driving Test can follow the teaching? Or would the World Champion be interested to take the students by the hand on how to change gear in a corner? Then, are both sides matching?
In western countries, candidates learn Arboriculture through fundamental training programs like the 'National Certificate in Arboriculture' for Tree Biology, Tree Inspection, Tree Climbing, Chainsaw uses, to Tree Biomechanics. They would stay for approx. 3 years for knowledge & practice to first obtain their own National Qualification, & then proceed to the ISA Certified Arborist (CA) credential to become internationally recognized. However, this does not appear to be the case in our territory. Our candidates would prefer to take a short cut to go straight to pass the 200 multiple choice questions in the CA exam to obtain the ISA credential, & most would not revert to regain the basics in Arboriculture before going into private practice. This would be like building a skyscraper from top down. Would it really work?
ISA HK/China is currently considering to collaborate with quality international trainers to begin courses in Basic Arboriculture leading to a National Certificate of some kind. The training may take long, perhaps even more than a year, but it will be beneficial to someone who really wants to stay in the Arborist Industry instead of of dashing in to grab quick cash. Arborist Work is a legally sensitive profession & foul play can lead to Court Scenario as seen many a times in western countries. ISA HK/China would like to see the Arborist Profession develop healthily in our territory instead of just a quick flash.
I am attaching a similar Station Mail on 'World Champion to train HK' some time ago for your interesting study. You are welcomed to contact me at 9090 6719 anytime for any further discussion.
best regards,
Sammy Au
Station Manager
"If a tree is not designed, installed, maintained & inspected properly, it is likely to become a liability rather than an asset."
"Trees are good for the community. Trees need care like human beings. Arborists are the Tree Care Professionals."
----- Original Message -----
From: xxx
To: egc@netvigator.com
Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 7:52 PM
Subject: seminar training
Hi Sammy Au,
Do u recommend me to join the attached seminar training? Why don't the Station organize advanced seminar to us?
Thank you.
Regards,
xxx
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Wednesday, August 12, 2009
ISA HK/China ---- TMO is a Repetative Structure?
国内朋友请使用翻译软件阅读本文。
*** Our weekly Station Mail is for the information of Station Members only, but Station Mail has given up copyright & can be freely circulated. For administrative reasons, comments from outsiders are usually not entertained & may be circulated within our system locally & overseas. Please note Station Mail is sometimes given in Blog at http://isahkchina.blogspot.com , although images are usually not attached due to size. ***
Dear Station Members,
The following newspaper cutting was sent in by a Station Member without any comment. ISA HK/China thought that this Station Member was looking for a response & therefore we broadcast.
Ever since the announcement of setting up of the Tree Management Office (TMO) on 29.6.09, there has been a one sided criticism from the media & politicians for reasons beyond the understanding of ISA HK/China & our Arborists. In the radio interview at CR 1 & TV broadcast of Now TV both on 29.6.09, the Station Manager was shocked to hear complaints from every participant to paint the TMO as a repetitive structure wasting public funds. Then only weeks before the TMO was announced, the media were discussing that HK did not have an authoritative organization to coordinate the Tree affairs. Are the public now contradicting themselves?
For any organization to operate efficiently, it must have a leader. This is like a person having a brain to tell the other parts of the body what to do. Among those critics who would belong to some kind of organization themselves, be it the media, political group or what, doesn't that organization of theirs have a Director or Committee to steer their events? Then what's wrong of having the TMO to lead the Tree Affairs in HK?
Some say that they would want a local Tree Law. ISA HK/China has reviewed the Parks & Trees Act of Singapore (http://isahkchina.blogspot.com/2009/03/isa-hkchina-study-on-parks-and-trees.html) which would be regarded as the most relevant for HK, if HK would really consider setting up some form of Tree Regulations. However, the critics would divert themselves to places like Taiwan & China where Topping is an acceptable practice to guide our public. They also could not answer the concern of having private trees deliberately removed before the Tree Law could be set up to avoid supervision. Would this kind of attitude really help the trees in HK?
One of the functions of the TMO is to coordinate all Govt Depts dealing with trees from design, operation to maintenance to make our trees safe & functional, rather than just 'flowering & scent' alone. The TMO would need to renovate the traditional practices to pick out the incorrect & replace with proper. The tasks ahead are grave & serious, & public support is needed because the TMO will eventually run into clashes with people with traditional interest. Any change would mean their interest is harmed.
On the other hand, maybe the critics have something else on mind. Interestingly, none of the critics so far would like to confront the Arborists to talk face to face in a public situation to discuss how to plant trees on a technical sense, but rather would drag in politics & sentiment to try to please the public onto their side. Would this be really good for the Tree Development in HK?
ISA HK/China is now the most influential organization to talk with international practices on trees in HK. We do not follow comments or ideas if they do not comply with international knowledge & experience, no matter where they come from. We believe in Integrity, Professionalism, Participation, Fact-finding & Truth-telling in our professional attitude. This is what makes us grow from one person to +1,000 Station Members in just 4.5 years.
We believe that HK still has a lot of people who have clear mind to distinguish between justice & malice. ISA HK/China strongly believes in the future duties of the TMO & would support it as long as it can follow international practices & to be guided by the right persons. We believe the TMO would do HK good.
For this we shall have faith.
best regards,
Sammy Au
Station Manager
"If a tree is not designed, installed, maintained & inspected properly, it is likely to become a liability rather than an asset."
"Trees are good for the community. Trees need care like human beings. Arborists are the Tree Care Professionals."
【本報訊】政府堅決不肯訂立樹木保護法，被各方批評政府在保護樹木只講不做。屯門區議員陳雲生在《ontv》評論節目《就係敢講》批評政府在處理樹木問題上政出多門，最終就是無人負責。他說現時有超過十個部門處理樹木問題，但各自為政，每個部門處理樹木各有不同的方法和準則，例如樹下的土地是一個部門管理、樹身又一個部門處理，撥款工程處理爛木又是另一個部門處理，現時政府又說成立多兩個樹木辦事處，簡直就是混帳！疊床架屋，辦事處美其名是統一管理，但沒有解決原本的部門分工不清的問題，最終保樹都是一團糟！
陳雲生斥政出多門
陳雲生認為，要全面保護樹木，立法是最好的方法，令部門之間清楚釐定保護樹木的準則和責任，難以理解為何政府不肯立法，相信是高官對保護樹木意識不高，或是根本不在他們處理政策的首要考慮。他說連區議會轄下的小組亦會訪問內地保樹專家取經，之後參考他人做法向部門建議，但政府竟沒有培訓前線員工處理和保養樹木的方法，責任在於政府，但政出多門，令到部門之間互相推責，最終無人負責。
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*** Our weekly Station Mail is for the information of Station Members only, but Station Mail has given up copyright & can be freely circulated. For administrative reasons, comments from outsiders are usually not entertained & may be circulated within our system locally & overseas. Please note Station Mail is sometimes given in Blog at http://isahkchina.blogspot.com , although images are usually not attached due to size. ***
Dear Station Members,
The following newspaper cutting was sent in by a Station Member without any comment. ISA HK/China thought that this Station Member was looking for a response & therefore we broadcast.
Ever since the announcement of setting up of the Tree Management Office (TMO) on 29.6.09, there has been a one sided criticism from the media & politicians for reasons beyond the understanding of ISA HK/China & our Arborists. In the radio interview at CR 1 & TV broadcast of Now TV both on 29.6.09, the Station Manager was shocked to hear complaints from every participant to paint the TMO as a repetitive structure wasting public funds. Then only weeks before the TMO was announced, the media were discussing that HK did not have an authoritative organization to coordinate the Tree affairs. Are the public now contradicting themselves?
For any organization to operate efficiently, it must have a leader. This is like a person having a brain to tell the other parts of the body what to do. Among those critics who would belong to some kind of organization themselves, be it the media, political group or what, doesn't that organization of theirs have a Director or Committee to steer their events? Then what's wrong of having the TMO to lead the Tree Affairs in HK?
Some say that they would want a local Tree Law. ISA HK/China has reviewed the Parks & Trees Act of Singapore (http://isahkchina.blogspot.com/2009/03/isa-hkchina-study-on-parks-and-trees.html) which would be regarded as the most relevant for HK, if HK would really consider setting up some form of Tree Regulations. However, the critics would divert themselves to places like Taiwan & China where Topping is an acceptable practice to guide our public. They also could not answer the concern of having private trees deliberately removed before the Tree Law could be set up to avoid supervision. Would this kind of attitude really help the trees in HK?
One of the functions of the TMO is to coordinate all Govt Depts dealing with trees from design, operation to maintenance to make our trees safe & functional, rather than just 'flowering & scent' alone. The TMO would need to renovate the traditional practices to pick out the incorrect & replace with proper. The tasks ahead are grave & serious, & public support is needed because the TMO will eventually run into clashes with people with traditional interest. Any change would mean their interest is harmed.
On the other hand, maybe the critics have something else on mind. Interestingly, none of the critics so far would like to confront the Arborists to talk face to face in a public situation to discuss how to plant trees on a technical sense, but rather would drag in politics & sentiment to try to please the public onto their side. Would this be really good for the Tree Development in HK?
ISA HK/China is now the most influential organization to talk with international practices on trees in HK. We do not follow comments or ideas if they do not comply with international knowledge & experience, no matter where they come from. We believe in Integrity, Professionalism, Participation, Fact-finding & Truth-telling in our professional attitude. This is what makes us grow from one person to +1,000 Station Members in just 4.5 years.
We believe that HK still has a lot of people who have clear mind to distinguish between justice & malice. ISA HK/China strongly believes in the future duties of the TMO & would support it as long as it can follow international practices & to be guided by the right persons. We believe the TMO would do HK good.
For this we shall have faith.
best regards,
Sammy Au
Station Manager
"If a tree is not designed, installed, maintained & inspected properly, it is likely to become a liability rather than an asset."
"Trees are good for the community. Trees need care like human beings. Arborists are the Tree Care Professionals."
【本報訊】政府堅決不肯訂立樹木保護法，被各方批評政府在保護樹木只講不做。屯門區議員陳雲生在《ontv》評論節目《就係敢講》批評政府在處理樹木問題上政出多門，最終就是無人負責。他說現時有超過十個部門處理樹木問題，但各自為政，每個部門處理樹木各有不同的方法和準則，例如樹下的土地是一個部門管理、樹身又一個部門處理，撥款工程處理爛木又是另一個部門處理，現時政府又說成立多兩個樹木辦事處，簡直就是混帳！疊床架屋，辦事處美其名是統一管理，但沒有解決原本的部門分工不清的問題，最終保樹都是一團糟！
陳雲生斥政出多門
陳雲生認為，要全面保護樹木，立法是最好的方法，令部門之間清楚釐定保護樹木的準則和責任，難以理解為何政府不肯立法，相信是高官對保護樹木意識不高，或是根本不在他們處理政策的首要考慮。他說連區議會轄下的小組亦會訪問內地保樹專家取經，之後參考他人做法向部門建議，但政府竟沒有培訓前線員工處理和保養樹木的方法，責任在於政府，但政出多門，令到部門之間互相推責，最終無人負責。
http://orientaldaily.on.cc/cnt/news/20090807/00176_017.html
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Sunday, August 2, 2009
ISA HK/China --- Incoming Mail (HK$ 500/tree for Tree Assessment ?)
Guidelines for Professional Fees for ISA Certified Arborist (CA) & ISA Certified Tree Worker (CTW) Services in Hong Kong (July 2006 Edition)
Introduction: The preparation of these Guidelines takes into consideration the charges of other related professional services in Hong Kong at the time of preparation, & has referenced similar services provided in other countries overseas. They are meant only as a reference for the general public & within the profession. These charges were designed to reflect the extent of professional services rendered and to cover the obligations required of a CA or a CTW in offering tree services. Significant deviation from these charges may require further justification and explanation by the service provider & employer alike.
(A) For CA services:
1. General Consulting (which includes but not limited to tree inspections, project supervision, in-situ planting consultation, on site response to questions, etc.):
a. If only a verbal assessment is to be given --- HK$4,000.00 minimum for a half days work of 4 hours, & HK$6,000.00 minimum for a full days work of 7 hours. An hourly charge of HK$800.00 minimum can be applied as overtime. Please note the CA has the right to include 1 hour for traveling in his time calculation, e.g. For a half day (or full day) rate, the CA can take 1 hour for traveling to site & 3 hours (or 6 hours) of actual work will be provided.
b. If a written report is to be submitted --- HK$6,000.00 minimum for a half days visit, & HK$10,000.00 minimum for a full days visit. This takes into consideration of the time, effort & liabilities incurred in producing a formal written report which is signed by the CA and endorsed with his (her) name & Certification No. The CA will assume legal liabilities for the accuracy of the information contained in any written report.
2. Hazard Tree Assessment
This is a more specific area of inspection which may involve the use of tools & skills.
a. If only a visual inspection is given without deployment of drilling tools & tree climbing equipment --- HK$ 1,500.00 minimum per tree. The minimum charge for any visit is HK$4,000.00 minimum regardless of the number of trees to be inspected for any one visit.
b. If visual inspection is given plus the deployment of drilling tools, or tree climbing equipment, or any other additional equipment --- HK$2,000.00 minimum per tree. The minimum charge for any visit is HK$6,000.00 regardless of the number of trees to be inspected for any one visit. This takes into consideration of the initial cost & maintenance of the equipment to be deployed. The CA may have to bring in a tree climber if he/she cannot climb & this cost is included in the above-mentioned charges.
A written report is considered to be an essential deliverable for any Hazard Tree Assessment.
3. Legal Consultancy
There are two major forms of acting as a consultant to lawyers for legal cases in Hong Kong, either as a 'Consulting Expert' who can advocate for the client, or as an 'Expert Witness' who must be impartial to the Court. Although the nature of the two services provided is different, the time & effort in acting for either are nearly the same. Either position can bring legal liabilities upon the CA. Therefore, the charges for acting as either will be the same.
a. To produce a written report as a Consulting Expert or Expert Witness --- HK$25,000.00 minimum for a minimum size report to include one site visit only, research, writing up and deliverables. This charge usually refers to a report requiring 3 days of work to complete. If the report involves more work, the CA can charge an additional HK$10,000.00 minimum per day's work on top of this minimum charge. For e.g., a report requiring 7 days to write up can be charged at HK$75,000.00 minimum for any one report.
b. To reply to any response from opposing lawyers --- This usually happens after the CA's report is delivered to the opposing side’s lawyers who may employ their own experts to challenge the CA's report. The charge here is HK$10,000.00 minimum per day's work for the CA.
c. To appear in Court as witness --- HK$10,000.00 minimum per day irrespective of the length of the Court session for that day. For e.g. if the Court session takes 3 days to complete, the CA can charge HK$30,000.00 minimum as a total fee.
d. To act as technical consultant to lawyers outside Court --- HK$2,000.00 minimum per hour with a minimum charge of 2 hours to cover for the traveling expenses.
(B) For CTW Services:
1. General Tree Climbing (which includes but not limited to tree inspection, crown hazard identification, animal rescue, other menial work on tree top, etc.) --- HK$4,000.00 minimum for a half day work of 4 hours, & HK$6,000.00 minimum for a full day work of 7 hours. Hourly charge of HK$800.00 minimum can be charged as overtime. Please note the CTW has the right to include 1 hour for traveling in his time calculation, e.g. For a half day (or full day) rate, the CTW can take 1 hour for traveling to site & 3 hours (or 6 hours) of actual work will be provided.
2. Specialist Tree Climbing (which includes but not limited to rigging, cable installation, utilities management, Show Climb, etc.) --- HK$6,000.00 minimum for a half days work of 4 hours, & HK$8,000.00 minimum for a full days work of 7 hours. An hourly charge of HK$1,000.00 minimum can be applied for overtime. Please note the CTW has the right to include 1 hour for traveling in the time calculation, e.g. for a half day (or full day) rate, the CTW can take 1 hour for traveling to site & 3 hours (or 6 hours) of actual work will be provided.
3. Climbing Instruction (for beginner climbers, recreational climbers, chainsaw use, seminars & lectures, etc.) --- HK$750.00 minimum per hour at a minimum charge of two hours.
The CTW is expected to bring along his/her own climbing equipment as part of the service.
Notes:
1. Lunch of 1 hour & coffee break of 30 minutes are not charged within the above services.
2. For any service or overtime occupying more than 15 minutes but not one full hour, it will still be charged at a full hour's rate. For any service or overtime not exceeding 15 minutes, no charge will be given.
3. Free access to site & cooperation of the client regarding information & facilities are required for any services to be offered by any CA & CTW.
4. The CA & CTW will cover himself/herself with Accident Insurance and Employees Compensation Insurance, & it is recommended that the Public Liability Insurance is to be provided by the client.
5. Variations to above charges may apply if the work site is located in a remote area with difficult access.
6. If the CA or CTW is required to work in exceptional weather such as typhoon, thunderstorm, Black Warning Rain, during unsocial hours from 7pm to 7am, or during Public Holidays the above charges may be doubled due to the extra effort involved.
7. These guidelines do not apply to overseas arborists working in Hong Kong due to their additional expenses on travel.
国内朋友请使用翻译软件阅读本文。
*** Our weekly Station Mail is for the information of Station Members only, but Station Mail has given up copyright & can be freely circulated. For administrative reasons, comments from outsiders are usually not entertained & may be circulated within our system locally & overseas. Please note Station Mail is sometimes given in Blog at http://isahkchina.blogspot.com , although images are usually not attached due to size. ***
Dear xxx,
It is heart breaking indeed to hear your information which has been reported separately by other Station Members to ISA HK/China for such unbelievably low cost for Arborist Service in HK recently. In fact, the CA Family of ISA HK/China has produced a Professional Fees Guidelines as per attached to guide the industry to compete not by the cheapest cost but by the quality of service with using a uniform pricing structure for all ISA credential holders (CA & CTW). Our territory has seen too many times that by offering a below the belt cost would usually lead to wanton work with foreseeable dispute between the employer & the service provider. The Professional Fees Guidelines also encourages the credential holders to advance themselves in knowledge & experience to receive continuous business, rather than just waving credentials alone.
The cost of HK$500 (HK$ 7.8 = US$ 1) per tree for a proper Tree Assessment may be the lowest in the world that ISA HK/China is aware of anywhere. Just imagine the CA has to arrive at site, inspect the tree from top to bottom, climb up with approved equipment & technique for Canopy Inspection, & then go back to the office to file a 4 - 6 page report with photos & description. Is all that just worth just HK$500 only? According to the Professional Fees Guidelines, the CA is entitled to be paid HK$10,000 for a day of service for this kind of work. If it is going to be HK$500 per tree, does it mean that the CA can assess up to 20 trees in a day? If so, this CA should be invited to speak in a public forum at ISA HK/China to share his/her work & experience with Station Arborists for public inquiry.
It appears that the feasible alternative to assess 20 trees in a day would be by quietly skipping Canopy Inspection without the employer noticing. This may be possible for private clients but usually not for Govt Depts who have their own CA's for site monitoring, unless that Govt CA is just as ignorant as the site CA to not demand Canopy Inspection with Tree Climbing or Aerial Inspection.
Therefore, take care in your cost bargaining with your prospective employer. The Station Manager as a leader in ISA HK/China has stood firm with the Professional Fees Guidelines every time in the past 4.5 years in any business negotiation. It will be the Guidelines or no deal. He has found the clients would gradually respect the Guidelines since they can calculate budget easily for employing Arborists. After all, the cost structure in the Guidelines is fair & reasonable to respect the time consumption of the Arborist in consideration of the nature of the service. Then why not follow it?
As a final reminder, please note every Arborist Report is a legal document & the CA/CTW signing it has agreed to undertake legal liabilities for their work. ISA HK/China has produced Station Mail on the requirement to conduct Tree Assessment in http://isahkchina.blogspot.com/2009/04/isa-hkchina-tree-assessment.html . We generally do not recommend CA/CTW with only 1 year of post -qualification to conduct this kind of sophisticated work, & anybody throwing himself/herself into it without adequate knowledge & experience is exposing oneself for future liabilities including credential revocation. Please therefore pay particular attention to this.
ISA HK/China is now seriously contemplating with undertaking Arborist work in conjunction with appropriate contractors to supply quality CA/CTW to meet market demand so that delivery can be guaranteed as well as generating income for ISA HK/China, since we do not charge for membership to provide tangible service. This act would also encourage cohesion of Station CA's to actively participate in ISA HK/China for personal advancement to be picked for rotational service if any Arborist work is secured. However, ISA HK/China will be very careful in procuring this to ensure the development of the Station is not polluted or jeopardizing our mission.
ISA HK/China will evolve to meet modern demand continuously.
best regards,
Sammy Au
Station Manager
"If a tree is not designed, installed, maintained & inspected properly, it is likely to become a liability rather than an asset."
"Trees are good for the community. Trees need care like human beings. Arborists are the Tree Care Professionals."
From: xxx
To: egc@netvigator.com
Cc: yyy
Sent: Friday, July 24, 2009 11:36 PM
Subject: Re: Tree Assessment
Dear Sammy Au,
We were approached for Tree Assessment service at HKD 500 per tree for a govt job.
Has the situation degraded to such an extent for CA's in HK that we are paid cheaper than a construction worker?
Can you comment publicly?
Regards,
xxx
Introduction: The preparation of these Guidelines takes into consideration the charges of other related professional services in Hong Kong at the time of preparation, & has referenced similar services provided in other countries overseas. They are meant only as a reference for the general public & within the profession. These charges were designed to reflect the extent of professional services rendered and to cover the obligations required of a CA or a CTW in offering tree services. Significant deviation from these charges may require further justification and explanation by the service provider & employer alike.
(A) For CA services:
1. General Consulting (which includes but not limited to tree inspections, project supervision, in-situ planting consultation, on site response to questions, etc.):
a. If only a verbal assessment is to be given --- HK$4,000.00 minimum for a half days work of 4 hours, & HK$6,000.00 minimum for a full days work of 7 hours. An hourly charge of HK$800.00 minimum can be applied as overtime. Please note the CA has the right to include 1 hour for traveling in his time calculation, e.g. For a half day (or full day) rate, the CA can take 1 hour for traveling to site & 3 hours (or 6 hours) of actual work will be provided.
b. If a written report is to be submitted --- HK$6,000.00 minimum for a half days visit, & HK$10,000.00 minimum for a full days visit. This takes into consideration of the time, effort & liabilities incurred in producing a formal written report which is signed by the CA and endorsed with his (her) name & Certification No. The CA will assume legal liabilities for the accuracy of the information contained in any written report.
2. Hazard Tree Assessment
This is a more specific area of inspection which may involve the use of tools & skills.
a. If only a visual inspection is given without deployment of drilling tools & tree climbing equipment --- HK$ 1,500.00 minimum per tree. The minimum charge for any visit is HK$4,000.00 minimum regardless of the number of trees to be inspected for any one visit.
b. If visual inspection is given plus the deployment of drilling tools, or tree climbing equipment, or any other additional equipment --- HK$2,000.00 minimum per tree. The minimum charge for any visit is HK$6,000.00 regardless of the number of trees to be inspected for any one visit. This takes into consideration of the initial cost & maintenance of the equipment to be deployed. The CA may have to bring in a tree climber if he/she cannot climb & this cost is included in the above-mentioned charges.
A written report is considered to be an essential deliverable for any Hazard Tree Assessment.
3. Legal Consultancy
There are two major forms of acting as a consultant to lawyers for legal cases in Hong Kong, either as a 'Consulting Expert' who can advocate for the client, or as an 'Expert Witness' who must be impartial to the Court. Although the nature of the two services provided is different, the time & effort in acting for either are nearly the same. Either position can bring legal liabilities upon the CA. Therefore, the charges for acting as either will be the same.
a. To produce a written report as a Consulting Expert or Expert Witness --- HK$25,000.00 minimum for a minimum size report to include one site visit only, research, writing up and deliverables. This charge usually refers to a report requiring 3 days of work to complete. If the report involves more work, the CA can charge an additional HK$10,000.00 minimum per day's work on top of this minimum charge. For e.g., a report requiring 7 days to write up can be charged at HK$75,000.00 minimum for any one report.
b. To reply to any response from opposing lawyers --- This usually happens after the CA's report is delivered to the opposing side’s lawyers who may employ their own experts to challenge the CA's report. The charge here is HK$10,000.00 minimum per day's work for the CA.
c. To appear in Court as witness --- HK$10,000.00 minimum per day irrespective of the length of the Court session for that day. For e.g. if the Court session takes 3 days to complete, the CA can charge HK$30,000.00 minimum as a total fee.
d. To act as technical consultant to lawyers outside Court --- HK$2,000.00 minimum per hour with a minimum charge of 2 hours to cover for the traveling expenses.
(B) For CTW Services:
1. General Tree Climbing (which includes but not limited to tree inspection, crown hazard identification, animal rescue, other menial work on tree top, etc.) --- HK$4,000.00 minimum for a half day work of 4 hours, & HK$6,000.00 minimum for a full day work of 7 hours. Hourly charge of HK$800.00 minimum can be charged as overtime. Please note the CTW has the right to include 1 hour for traveling in his time calculation, e.g. For a half day (or full day) rate, the CTW can take 1 hour for traveling to site & 3 hours (or 6 hours) of actual work will be provided.
2. Specialist Tree Climbing (which includes but not limited to rigging, cable installation, utilities management, Show Climb, etc.) --- HK$6,000.00 minimum for a half days work of 4 hours, & HK$8,000.00 minimum for a full days work of 7 hours. An hourly charge of HK$1,000.00 minimum can be applied for overtime. Please note the CTW has the right to include 1 hour for traveling in the time calculation, e.g. for a half day (or full day) rate, the CTW can take 1 hour for traveling to site & 3 hours (or 6 hours) of actual work will be provided.
3. Climbing Instruction (for beginner climbers, recreational climbers, chainsaw use, seminars & lectures, etc.) --- HK$750.00 minimum per hour at a minimum charge of two hours.
The CTW is expected to bring along his/her own climbing equipment as part of the service.
Notes:
1. Lunch of 1 hour & coffee break of 30 minutes are not charged within the above services.
2. For any service or overtime occupying more than 15 minutes but not one full hour, it will still be charged at a full hour's rate. For any service or overtime not exceeding 15 minutes, no charge will be given.
3. Free access to site & cooperation of the client regarding information & facilities are required for any services to be offered by any CA & CTW.
4. The CA & CTW will cover himself/herself with Accident Insurance and Employees Compensation Insurance, & it is recommended that the Public Liability Insurance is to be provided by the client.
5. Variations to above charges may apply if the work site is located in a remote area with difficult access.
6. If the CA or CTW is required to work in exceptional weather such as typhoon, thunderstorm, Black Warning Rain, during unsocial hours from 7pm to 7am, or during Public Holidays the above charges may be doubled due to the extra effort involved.
7. These guidelines do not apply to overseas arborists working in Hong Kong due to their additional expenses on travel.
国内朋友请使用翻译软件阅读本文。
*** Our weekly Station Mail is for the information of Station Members only, but Station Mail has given up copyright & can be freely circulated. For administrative reasons, comments from outsiders are usually not entertained & may be circulated within our system locally & overseas. Please note Station Mail is sometimes given in Blog at http://isahkchina.blogspot.com , although images are usually not attached due to size. ***
Dear xxx,
It is heart breaking indeed to hear your information which has been reported separately by other Station Members to ISA HK/China for such unbelievably low cost for Arborist Service in HK recently. In fact, the CA Family of ISA HK/China has produced a Professional Fees Guidelines as per attached to guide the industry to compete not by the cheapest cost but by the quality of service with using a uniform pricing structure for all ISA credential holders (CA & CTW). Our territory has seen too many times that by offering a below the belt cost would usually lead to wanton work with foreseeable dispute between the employer & the service provider. The Professional Fees Guidelines also encourages the credential holders to advance themselves in knowledge & experience to receive continuous business, rather than just waving credentials alone.
The cost of HK$500 (HK$ 7.8 = US$ 1) per tree for a proper Tree Assessment may be the lowest in the world that ISA HK/China is aware of anywhere. Just imagine the CA has to arrive at site, inspect the tree from top to bottom, climb up with approved equipment & technique for Canopy Inspection, & then go back to the office to file a 4 - 6 page report with photos & description. Is all that just worth just HK$500 only? According to the Professional Fees Guidelines, the CA is entitled to be paid HK$10,000 for a day of service for this kind of work. If it is going to be HK$500 per tree, does it mean that the CA can assess up to 20 trees in a day? If so, this CA should be invited to speak in a public forum at ISA HK/China to share his/her work & experience with Station Arborists for public inquiry.
It appears that the feasible alternative to assess 20 trees in a day would be by quietly skipping Canopy Inspection without the employer noticing. This may be possible for private clients but usually not for Govt Depts who have their own CA's for site monitoring, unless that Govt CA is just as ignorant as the site CA to not demand Canopy Inspection with Tree Climbing or Aerial Inspection.
Therefore, take care in your cost bargaining with your prospective employer. The Station Manager as a leader in ISA HK/China has stood firm with the Professional Fees Guidelines every time in the past 4.5 years in any business negotiation. It will be the Guidelines or no deal. He has found the clients would gradually respect the Guidelines since they can calculate budget easily for employing Arborists. After all, the cost structure in the Guidelines is fair & reasonable to respect the time consumption of the Arborist in consideration of the nature of the service. Then why not follow it?
As a final reminder, please note every Arborist Report is a legal document & the CA/CTW signing it has agreed to undertake legal liabilities for their work. ISA HK/China has produced Station Mail on the requirement to conduct Tree Assessment in http://isahkchina.blogspot.com/2009/04/isa-hkchina-tree-assessment.html . We generally do not recommend CA/CTW with only 1 year of post -qualification to conduct this kind of sophisticated work, & anybody throwing himself/herself into it without adequate knowledge & experience is exposing oneself for future liabilities including credential revocation. Please therefore pay particular attention to this.
ISA HK/China is now seriously contemplating with undertaking Arborist work in conjunction with appropriate contractors to supply quality CA/CTW to meet market demand so that delivery can be guaranteed as well as generating income for ISA HK/China, since we do not charge for membership to provide tangible service. This act would also encourage cohesion of Station CA's to actively participate in ISA HK/China for personal advancement to be picked for rotational service if any Arborist work is secured. However, ISA HK/China will be very careful in procuring this to ensure the development of the Station is not polluted or jeopardizing our mission.
ISA HK/China will evolve to meet modern demand continuously.
best regards,
Sammy Au
Station Manager
"If a tree is not designed, installed, maintained & inspected properly, it is likely to become a liability rather than an asset."
"Trees are good for the community. Trees need care like human beings. Arborists are the Tree Care Professionals."
From: xxx
To: egc@netvigator.com
Cc: yyy
Sent: Friday, July 24, 2009 11:36 PM
Subject: Re: Tree Assessment
Dear Sammy Au,
We were approached for Tree Assessment service at HKD 500 per tree for a govt job.
Has the situation degraded to such an extent for CA's in HK that we are paid cheaper than a construction worker?
Can you comment publicly?
Regards,
xxx
Saturday, July 25, 2009
ISA HK/China --- Incoming Mail (Queries on Local Arboricutural Training)
国内朋友请使用翻译软件阅读本文。
*** Our weekly Station Mail is for the information of Station Members only, but Station Mail has given up copyright & can be freely circulated. For administrative reasons, comments from outsiders are usually not entertained & may be circulated within our system locally & overseas. Please note Station Mail is sometimes given in Blog at http://isahkchina.blogspot.com , although images are usually not attached due to size. ***
Dear xxx,
Thank you for your message to TCHK in Chinese. Your worries about the quality of the Local Arboricultural Training & future career prospect are indeed valid. ISA HK/China has taken note of your concern.
Indeed, the provision of Arbor Training in our territory is rather limited at present. Once again, we have to appreciate that ISA Arboriculture has really taken off only after ISA HK/China was set up in HK in Feb 2006. Within 4.5 years, HK has established a Tree Management Office (TMO) at a Govt level even higher than a lot of western countries. There is room for improvement for the training facilities to catch up indeed.
On the other hand, it is an ISA practice that the Chief Proctor & Proctors are not encouraged to take part in any credential training in order to avoid Conflict of Interest. The Station Manager who is also the Chief Proctor has obediently abided with this instruction, although he is allowed to train anything other than credentials in CICTA & Govt Depts. Please also note that it is an ISA Policy not to recommend or approve any training program in order to avoid any legal or moral responsibilities.
What ISA HK/China would say on your concern to seek appropriate training would be that you have to check whether the training complies with ISA exam requirements, if you are looking for an ISA credential at the end. You would also have to decide upon the capabilities of the tutors to deliver updated knowledge & experience, since ISA Arboriculture is an advancing profession with research coming out practically every 2 months. In western countries, tutors of ISA credential training are usually retired Proctors with years of experience in the Arboricultural Field both in knowledge & practical experience. HK may be short of this kind of personnel at present for mass education.
Please also note that by getting an ISA credential would not make you into a 'Tree Expert' instantly. The person passing a 200 multiple choice test to become a Certified Arborist has only pushed open the door of Modern Arboriculture to enter into this profound & deep profession. There are still many doors to push open in order to become a practicing Tree Professional (http://isahkchina.blogspot.com/2008/08/isa-hkchina-independent-practicing.html) , & most needed is personal advancement by self-study, research & learning from Senior Arborists. Joining ISA HK/China & TCHK is a start since you will meet other Arborists regularly, & share with their knowledge & experience. Polishing the credential alone in private would not make it shine for long.
Your worries about entering the Arborist Profession is justified & ISA HK/China wishes the future TMO to take note of it as well. We also wish the future TMO to take credit of the knowledge & experience of the Front Line Staff in various Govt Depts with their years of attendance in Tree Care, because these are the people who would touch trees day in & day out. Modern Arboriculture is a hands-on discipline & site experience is invaluable to take into account. Letting the Front Line Staff speak out without fear may help policy making & tree management go a long way to save administrative time & financial spending.
ISA HK/China hopes that we have addressed your concern. If not, you are welcomed to contact us anytime for further advice.
best regards,
Sammy Au
Station Manager
"If a tree is not designed, installed, maintained & inspected properly, it is likely to become a liability rather than an asset."
"Trees are good for the community. Trees need care like human beings. Arborists are the Tree Care Professionals."
To: TCHK
" 轉貼自x報
【x報專訊】近年多宗塌樹事件，敲響前線護理樹木人員專業成疑的警號，有前線職員向本報表示，政府提供的樹藝課程優先給經理級職員報讀；亦有護理樹木的外判商坦言，坊間培訓機會嚴重不足，行內專業水平參差。中大專業進修及愛護樹木協會下月中將開辦首個樹藝專業文憑課程，希望提升業界專業水平。
'愛護樹木協會' 合辦 須實習27小時
「樹藝專業文憑課程」由身兼協會第一副主席的康文署已退休總康樂事務經理張耀江擔任課程顧問，涵蓋樹木病理、護理樹木等，並安排27小時的實習機會，資歷相等於英國國際樹木學會二級樹藝課程，但不等於考獲樹藝師資格。
張耀江指出，此乃本港首個針對樹藝的文憑課程，覑重訓練如何察覺樹木的健康問題，「政府各部門都要求地盤監工懂得這方面知識，但坊間能主辦這類課程的機構並不多，政府和私人機構都需要這方面的培訓，市場對樹藝人才的需求會愈來愈多」。
政府培訓不足 前線工報讀機會少
不願透露姓名的康文署樹木護理職員稱，政府的樹藝培訓不足，「有課程也先讓經理級職員報讀，我們前線工作的反而很少機會上堂」。
在康文署工作逾20年的他，曾參與署方的樹藝課程，但因人手不足，上司多次要求他「走堂」，「有時真的會怕，因為沒上一堂，巡樹或護理樹木時，真的不懂」。因此，他多次自資公餘進修。
他又指署方三,四年前曾安排職員到海外接受樹藝培訓，但每年只有一個學額，「很多時讀畢課程的同事不久便轉工」。
曾為政府護理樹木的承建商負責人盧先生指出，坊間的課程只教導簡單的護樹技巧，「一星期上兩堂，兩三星期便讀完，既不深入，又無銜接深化的樹藝課程，業界只為張證書，『為份工去讀』，質素參差」。
康文署﹕將補派5員工海外培訓
康文署回應稱，正計劃增加各項樹木護理的課程及學額，並曾為負責樹木護理的各級同事，包括經理及前線工人安排訓練。另外，署方將於2009至2010年度補派5名員工到海外參與樹藝培訓，並規定他們在完成課程後承諾繼續服務一段時間，約2至3年。
x報記者 zzz "
我想報讀樹藝師備考課程...紅色字的那部分, 另我猶疑起來..還有我是外行人. 有心轉工.. 完成這課程之後..能找到有關工作嗎?
xxx
*** Our weekly Station Mail is for the information of Station Members only, but Station Mail has given up copyright & can be freely circulated. For administrative reasons, comments from outsiders are usually not entertained & may be circulated within our system locally & overseas. Please note Station Mail is sometimes given in Blog at http://isahkchina.blogspot.com , although images are usually not attached due to size. ***
Dear xxx,
Thank you for your message to TCHK in Chinese. Your worries about the quality of the Local Arboricultural Training & future career prospect are indeed valid. ISA HK/China has taken note of your concern.
Indeed, the provision of Arbor Training in our territory is rather limited at present. Once again, we have to appreciate that ISA Arboriculture has really taken off only after ISA HK/China was set up in HK in Feb 2006. Within 4.5 years, HK has established a Tree Management Office (TMO) at a Govt level even higher than a lot of western countries. There is room for improvement for the training facilities to catch up indeed.
On the other hand, it is an ISA practice that the Chief Proctor & Proctors are not encouraged to take part in any credential training in order to avoid Conflict of Interest. The Station Manager who is also the Chief Proctor has obediently abided with this instruction, although he is allowed to train anything other than credentials in CICTA & Govt Depts. Please also note that it is an ISA Policy not to recommend or approve any training program in order to avoid any legal or moral responsibilities.
What ISA HK/China would say on your concern to seek appropriate training would be that you have to check whether the training complies with ISA exam requirements, if you are looking for an ISA credential at the end. You would also have to decide upon the capabilities of the tutors to deliver updated knowledge & experience, since ISA Arboriculture is an advancing profession with research coming out practically every 2 months. In western countries, tutors of ISA credential training are usually retired Proctors with years of experience in the Arboricultural Field both in knowledge & practical experience. HK may be short of this kind of personnel at present for mass education.
Please also note that by getting an ISA credential would not make you into a 'Tree Expert' instantly. The person passing a 200 multiple choice test to become a Certified Arborist has only pushed open the door of Modern Arboriculture to enter into this profound & deep profession. There are still many doors to push open in order to become a practicing Tree Professional (http://isahkchina.blogspot.com/2008/08/isa-hkchina-independent-practicing.html) , & most needed is personal advancement by self-study, research & learning from Senior Arborists. Joining ISA HK/China & TCHK is a start since you will meet other Arborists regularly, & share with their knowledge & experience. Polishing the credential alone in private would not make it shine for long.
Your worries about entering the Arborist Profession is justified & ISA HK/China wishes the future TMO to take note of it as well. We also wish the future TMO to take credit of the knowledge & experience of the Front Line Staff in various Govt Depts with their years of attendance in Tree Care, because these are the people who would touch trees day in & day out. Modern Arboriculture is a hands-on discipline & site experience is invaluable to take into account. Letting the Front Line Staff speak out without fear may help policy making & tree management go a long way to save administrative time & financial spending.
ISA HK/China hopes that we have addressed your concern. If not, you are welcomed to contact us anytime for further advice.
best regards,
Sammy Au
Station Manager
"If a tree is not designed, installed, maintained & inspected properly, it is likely to become a liability rather than an asset."
"Trees are good for the community. Trees need care like human beings. Arborists are the Tree Care Professionals."
To: TCHK
" 轉貼自x報
【x報專訊】近年多宗塌樹事件，敲響前線護理樹木人員專業成疑的警號，有前線職員向本報表示，政府提供的樹藝課程優先給經理級職員報讀；亦有護理樹木的外判商坦言，坊間培訓機會嚴重不足，行內專業水平參差。中大專業進修及愛護樹木協會下月中將開辦首個樹藝專業文憑課程，希望提升業界專業水平。
'愛護樹木協會' 合辦 須實習27小時
「樹藝專業文憑課程」由身兼協會第一副主席的康文署已退休總康樂事務經理張耀江擔任課程顧問，涵蓋樹木病理、護理樹木等，並安排27小時的實習機會，資歷相等於英國國際樹木學會二級樹藝課程，但不等於考獲樹藝師資格。
張耀江指出，此乃本港首個針對樹藝的文憑課程，覑重訓練如何察覺樹木的健康問題，「政府各部門都要求地盤監工懂得這方面知識，但坊間能主辦這類課程的機構並不多，政府和私人機構都需要這方面的培訓，市場對樹藝人才的需求會愈來愈多」。
政府培訓不足 前線工報讀機會少
不願透露姓名的康文署樹木護理職員稱，政府的樹藝培訓不足，「有課程也先讓經理級職員報讀，我們前線工作的反而很少機會上堂」。
在康文署工作逾20年的他，曾參與署方的樹藝課程，但因人手不足，上司多次要求他「走堂」，「有時真的會怕，因為沒上一堂，巡樹或護理樹木時，真的不懂」。因此，他多次自資公餘進修。
他又指署方三,四年前曾安排職員到海外接受樹藝培訓，但每年只有一個學額，「很多時讀畢課程的同事不久便轉工」。
曾為政府護理樹木的承建商負責人盧先生指出，坊間的課程只教導簡單的護樹技巧，「一星期上兩堂，兩三星期便讀完，既不深入，又無銜接深化的樹藝課程，業界只為張證書，『為份工去讀』，質素參差」。
康文署﹕將補派5員工海外培訓
康文署回應稱，正計劃增加各項樹木護理的課程及學額，並曾為負責樹木護理的各級同事，包括經理及前線工人安排訓練。另外，署方將於2009至2010年度補派5名員工到海外參與樹藝培訓，並規定他們在完成課程後承諾繼續服務一段時間，約2至3年。
x報記者 zzz "
我想報讀樹藝師備考課程...紅色字的那部分, 另我猶疑起來..還有我是外行人. 有心轉工.. 完成這課程之後..能找到有關工作嗎?
xxx
Thursday, July 16, 2009
ISA HK/China --- Incoming Mail (Tree Topping in Shatin)
国内朋友请使用翻译软件阅读本文。
*** Our weekly Station Mail is for the information of Station Members only, but Station Mail has given up copyright & can be freely circulated. For administrative reasons, comments from outsiders are usually not entertained & may be circulated within our system locally & overseas. Please note Station Mail is sometimes given in Blog at http://isahkchina.blogspot.com , although images are usually not attached due to size. ***
Dear xxx,
Thank you for your message & subsequent phone call to address your concern. Your identity has been erased to protect your privacy as you have instructed.
What you have sent in may be the biggest Tree Topping Event that ISA HK/China is aware of after One Beacon Hill in Kowloon Tong, YMCA in Wu Kai Sha & Leung King Estate in Tuen Mun in recent years. From the photos given, there appeared to be no end to the extent of Tree Topping & the distance may stretch to a kilometer long. This would be quite a sight for our Tree Lovers to look at while they are cycling along the Shing Mun River Bicycle Track indeed.
To answer your enquiries:
1. To the best of our knowledge, there appears to be no Govt Regulations to forbid Tree Felling & Interference for private trees in private land currently, & may also be possibly the same in the near future even after the Tree Management Office (TMO) is set up. There are outcries to forbid Tree Interference in private land but as the Chief Secretary Office has mentioned, these private trees may be all gone in order to avoid supervision before any 'Tree Laws' can be enacted. To lose these trees before the Tree Laws can save them may defeat the whole purpose to protect them. This is a sad reality in HK indeed.
2. Public education may be the key to prevent further Tree Malpractice. Currently over the air & media, there appears to be more criticism on how the trees are ill-treated than constructive comments on how the trees should be well-treated. Topping is still practiced by many landscapers & management out of ignorance or convenience. Most Govt work would forbid Tree Topping, but what about the private work? How many of our public would understand the harm of Tree Topping, from where & from whom? Is it not a fact of life that trees in HK would fail more easily after incorrect Pruning than before?
As the Station Manager repeated said in his lectures & classes, Pruning will take at least a year to learn & more than a life time to perfect. Pruning is a huge topic concerning Tree Biology & Wind Mechanics, not appearance & survival. Pruning to a tree is equivalent to surgery to a human. What's cut off in a tree can not be nailed back or glued, & a tree would react to any cut with responsive growth. Therefore, Pruning must be performed or supervised by someone knowledgeable in the practical side of Arboriculture, preferably a Field Arborist (FA) or an Independent Practicing Arborist (IPA). If Pruning is to be carried out by any common gardener who would draw an imaginary line & cuts along with it, & then say any Epicormic Sprouting afterward is a sign of 'recovery', the tree will suffer from large wounds & decay development to only requiring replacement at the end. It is always Mother Nature makes the Rules, not anybody.
As for the solution to a lot of our Tree Malpractice in HK, ISA HK/China would look upon the future TMO to correct the situation for us. We have high hope for the TMO to lead HK out of the outdated knowledge of the past to design, install, maintain, inspect, assess & protect our current & future trees to turn HK a healthier & harmonic community to live in.
For this, we shall have faith.
best regards,
Sammy Au
Station Manager
"If a tree is not designed, installed, maintained & inspected properly, it is likely to become a liability rather than an asset."
"Trees are good for the community. Trees need care like human beings. Arborists are the Tree Care Professionals."
----- Original Message -----
From: xxx
To: Sammy Au
Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2009 8:36 AM
Subject: Shatin Race Course Tree Topping
Good morning Au Sir,
Some photos regarding tree topping for your information.
Questions here:
1. Any Govt regulations to stop this?
2. What can we do to prevent this in future?
I'll give you a call later.
Have a nice day!
xxx
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